Judo or Sambo which is more effective ?

Judo.

I presume that you are not a specialised top ten P4P MMA fighter so a style that helps you with ring experience whilst offering good street options.

Perhaps you should consider you spend most of your time out of a cage, wearing clothes and walking on hard surfaces. A judoka gets a hand on your clothes you are going to argue with the pavement fast. As I drill my guys - pull a lazy guard in the street and imagine having the back of your head smashed into the pavement.

If he wrestling scene is more active in your area then I would go for that instead but Judo twice a week, Muay Thai (Dutch style) = good for the novice and professional alike.

 

Greco-Roman Wrestling and Judo's throws are very similar, Judo just incorporates the Gi of course. If you are well versed in Greco-Roman, you should be able to handle yourself in the clinch with a Judoka.

I would check your area and see what type of schools are available to you. You may just have to settle for what is in your area.

Here is a video in which a Judo Brown Belt(shirt on) is grappling a national level freestyle wrestler with a BJJ Blue Belt:

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judo.

 

Most MMA fighters are American and Brazilian, so you do not get as many Sambo and Judo practitioners on average,

You want to tell me that Fedor, Aoki and Karo have not looked effective? Your perception is based on the quantity of fighters you see with those styles and not the styles themselves

 

Well that applies both ways.

Both Randleman and Coleman ragdolled Fedor to the ground pretty easily. But once there they got there their complete disregard of submissions defence let them down badly in both cases. Both guys were famous for not adding to their skill sets, but when they wrestled they were damn effective at it. Wrestlers these days dont show such blatant disregard for sub-defence

Sean Sherk, being 5ft6 and an natural LW also twice neutralised Karo's Judo game despite the MASSIVE size disadvantage

And maybe you missed Sergei v Barnet recently too. That was Sambo v Catch granted, but it was man against boy once it hit the ground

Of course quality of the individual counts but as a base, wrestling is more effective than Judo/Sambo in MMA

Aoki can **** off

 

What Stoo said + Aoki is a BJJ black belt as well.

 

You missed my point guys, what I am saying is that the number of wrestlers and BJJ practitioners is >>>>>> the number of Judo practitioners, and I do not see any trend that sais that any of those styles are getting a hand over the other.

Stoo, I see what you are Fedor-hating at, look at the UFC HW Division today, which of the wrestlers have become BJJ masters because I don't see it.

I have not seen the Karo-Sherk fights but Kharitonov was always more a boxer than a sambo guy, you rarely saw him initiate something on the ground because his boxing was always much better.

 

As people have said here, mixing styles is the way to success.

Sambo combines standup, clinch and ground techniques, so even if the Judoka could slam his opponent at will on the ground, he would have a hard time with the lightning quick sambo submissions.

 

The point is they all study BJJ with legitimate instructors.

Carwin is a student of Amal Easton http://www.fighters.com/07/02/ufc-116-shane-carwin-a-hero-with-a-secret-weapon

Lesnar is a student of Rodrigo Medeiros http://www.mmamania.com/2010/7/6/1555682/brocks-camp-real-training-let

Velasquez is a student of Dave Camarillo.

 

The bulk of Aoki's submission skills are a credit to his bjj game. Everything else is supplementary.

 

I think someone in the BJJ thread said that it takes a year just to learn how to defend subs on a basic level

 

BJJ is his submission game yes, but how he manages to almost always land on the ground in a threatening position is a credit to his phenomenal Judo.

 

Cain is a brown belt in bjj.

The link I posted above says Carwin had been training bjj for a few years.

Lesnar has had a bjj coach for a couple years, maybe more.

 

What I mean is that Fedor has been training in sambo since he was 16, the years of training by Carwin did not prevent him from getting subbed by a guy doing it for a couple of years.


Edit: I think rusty said a year for a basic grasp of sub-defence, basic.

 

You dont want to see a trend because Aoki does Judo I think fella. But two guys with a wrestling base handed him his ass so the ''trend'' is staring you right in the face

Im not Fedor hating. Im sure you are familiar with the Randleslam, **** even Mark Coleman nearly caught Fedor in a RNC. I called that bit exactly right there. You are just tryna dismiss it as hate.
And they dont have to be BJJ masters and I didnt make that claim, but go watch Mir v Carwin, Mir v Brock 2 ect to see for yourself

And Sergei's Sambo, as I said, jack of all trades...