Julian Jackson - Top 100 P4P?

Jackson is hard to define. The thing is, you cannot seperate him and his power -- I feel a lot of posters see in him a limited boxer, and that he was, who would surely be outboxed by most, and that he would, but there would always be that consistent, late-or-early-in-the-fight crunching power, that would guarantee him wins 'some of the time' due to variance.

Jackson, by his very nature, is a fighter with volatile assets that concludes in a high-variance style. Because of this, you may never make Jackson a big underdog, and he is always, against anyone in his weight, worth a bet when he is made one.

Put Jackson against the ten best fighters at his weight all-time, and it is a statistical given he will pull off some unlikely wins due to nothing but variance -- variance enabled by his concussing punches -- and he has to be given credit for that.

People are always more inclined to give credit when a winner is physically at a disadvantage -- I am no different, love it when Duran nudged Barkley, respect Hopkins for turning back the clock, etc -- and it is much harder to give credit to a match like Jackson vs Graham, since Jackson was basically being badly beaten until the one-punch life-saver. BUT, when determining your worth all-time at your weight or p4p, I feel as long as it was fair and square it shouldn't matter all that much what gave you the win.

Wether it's technique, speed, chin or bone-crunching power, these are all attributes, and they all count.

This post was entirely too long and none-too-coherent. I will go to sleep now. nn

 

Jesus Christ, you'd think he was like a Tex Cobb with immense power the way people are talking about him. He was actually a solid boxer-puncher technician with good handspeed and explosiveness (particularly in his younger days before he started to decline technically as a result of falling in love with his power, as so many others do), he was just a bit lacking in certain areas, particularly defensively.

 

I'm not comparing his boxing ability to Tex Cobb, but as you go up the ATG ladder, what was once above-average, solid, useful will become less so in comparison? Take away his surplus in power and null all discussion about Jackson and P4P Top 100 imo.

 

People certainly underrate his skills...He did most things by the book and well.

 

Agreed with basically everything here, except I don't believe it was falling in love with his power that caused him to regress. IMO it was having to have retina surgery on both his eyes. He probably shouldn't have even been allowed to fight anymore. When he came back (against Graham), he was prone to swelling, plus with his vision impaired he was basically forced to abandon his boxing skills and become a straightforward bomber.

Before that as a jr. middle, he was a pretty good all-around and versatile fighter in addition to being a huge puncher. Still, his chin was always a bit suspect IMO, and was probably his one big weakness even then.

 

In a word no.

 

i'm also in the catogory of individuals who wasnt all that impressed with jackson, he was loosing badly in some fights and his KO power brought him through that IMO isnt a a complete fighter who deserves an ATG ranking, Herol graham was pummeling him before he connected

 

in my book he can beat mccallum, prime for prime...and mccallum is top 100..

 

Julian Jackson was 25 years old, 29-0, and 5 years into his pro career when he was knocked out by Mike McCallum.

I rank Jackson as the 2nd best ever at junior middleweight, behind Mike McCallum. Jackson was a two division champ, and had power like no other. I have never listed a top 100 all time. I honestly don't know if he would make it or not.

 

i say that jackson is still not in his prime in that fight..

 

If it was p4p punching power then he might make the top 20. But in terms of boxing ability he doesn't make the top 100. His defense was too bad and if he didn't have the punch to bail him out he would have lost a lot more.

 

i like my fighters to have a punch and Julian is up there with Pipino who is a legend. so yeah he is up there. and skills only get you so far. I'd rather carry the bomb