Julio Cesar Chavez’s 89-0-1 Record

Uh, maybe it's because of all those Tiajuana taxi drivers he fought to pad that record up??

Seriously - it's because of a) the draw; and b) the fact that he did not retire with the record intact.

 

To me ( not even am his fan 4 real), clearly that one fighter of the last 30 years pound for pound and the reason he is underrated is political as well as social in the New World, of course.

 

it's simple...




















CAUSE HE'S MEXICAN

 

Theres a difference between fighting tough competition and fighting taxi drivers as Zackman stated before. Even when Valuev was getting close to Marciano's record, people were demanding he fight real competition to beat the record the fair way. Taking nothing away from Chavez' he was a good fighter, but most of his wins were against very low caliber opposition that even Charlie Zelenoff might beat.

 

Padded as his record might be, he still beat about 15 belt holders (not including WBO belt holders), which is a pretty awesome feat.

 

what do you expect, he had no ammeature career.....

 

JCC had an impressive 86-0-0. No losses, no draws.

But he didn't retire with that record, that's why it is practically meaningless.

 

Had he retired with an 88-0 record, people would view it as the standard for boxing - surpassing Marciano's 49-0. But he didn't, so it's not...simple as that

 

Check his record on boxrec

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=8119&cat=boxer&pageID=2

He was 39-0 before he fought anyone with a decent record (Adriano Arreola who was 21-4-0 at the time).

There were loads of tremendous wins after that to get to 89-0-1 though so I definitely agree that his record should be given more credit.

Still the best Mexican fighter of all time? Or have Barrera, Morales and JM Marquez surpassed him?

 

There is also a fairly proven story that his draw was initially a DQ loss, but he was friends with the head of the Mexican Commission and had that loss changed to a draw to help his credentials when he went up the rankings. The 0 would look better then a 1. Also, in no way am I discrediting the legend, he is clearly one of the best ever and I love watching his old fight tapes, he was a machine.

I think this story has come up here before and has been validated, would look it up if not lazy or if people are just saying I'm trying to start a flame war.

 

Umm, you have to retire witht he record for it to count.

 

This is what I'm talking about. I might not have explained it well enough. But this is the instance I'm talking about.

"For many years all the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification....
This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan that it altered the verdict the following day.
Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time."
The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 341.

That was the 12th fight of his career.