Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Rips into Floyd Mayweather: I would've knocked him out

Post number 8.

 

That post says Chavez wouldn't be fighting a 39 year old Floyd, hed be facing a much younger version, like the one against Gatti.

NOWHERE did i say Chavez and Gatti are similar.

 

Saying Floyd's style is similar to Taylor's is almost as bad.

*****s really DKSAB.

 

I love chavez, but his 89-0 is not as impressive as everybody says. Nevertheless I respect that because he made his debut when he was really young and with no amateur experience, and he had to learn somehow, so he had to fight cab drivers.

I respect chavez, what i dont respect is people that use his record like the best since sliced bread when he acutally fought his first championship when he was 43-0. I would like to hear what you'd have said if mayweather had fought nothing but cab drivers from 1-0 to 43-0.

Edit: imagine that mayeweather's 36-0 had been vs a guy with a 0-2 (yes, no victories and two loses). What would you all say? lol well, that's what chavez did. And that's only an example of many, many, many ridiculous cab drivers he fought.

 

But you certainly implied that the version of Mayweather who beat Gatti would beat Chavez, which although not quite the same, implies they are somewhat similar, when in fact they are very different fighters. Gatti was a C+/B- warrior, whereas Chavez is an A/A+ elite body puncher/ boxer who essentially ruined Taylor.

 

I never implied it anywhere, i said Chavez would not be facing the 39 year old Floyd, hed be facing the younger version who beat Gatti.

Taylors problem was, he thoroughly outboxed Chavez for 6-7 rounds but then started mixing with Chavez too much and paid the price. Floyd is a lot smarter than that.

 

Well if you listen to Chavez himself, between 2:14 and 2:22 he claimed to have fought 37 world champions. That sounds pretty impressive to me. but for what it's worth, I think record regarding being defeated or not, is a complete waste of time. I much prefer Duran's comp over Mayweather regardless of wins and losses. His loss to Hagler, in my opinion, exceeds ANY of Floyd's wins.

 

Heres a highlight video of Chavez Taylor. From here you can see Taylor outboxing Chavez but getting caught too much.

Floyd would not trade with Chavez.

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPigGaNqZc

 

You can say the same thing about SRL but sometime the opponent makes you fight his fight, regardless of who intelligent you may think you are.

There's a great breakdown of what some of the great trainers (Angelo Dundee) and commenters/judges (Lederman) think would happen if Duran fought Mayweather, and most think Duran would impose himself on Mayweather and Mayweather wouldn't be able to do much about it. I think a pressure fighter like Chavez would pretty much do the same thing.

 

I'm not saying that he is not ATG, obviously he is. And actually he is one of my favourite boxers, but he couldnt ko whitaker, what makes you think that he can ko floyd? taylor beat the hell out of chavez, had he taken a knee in 12th chavez had lost that fight. I love chavez's boxing, but i'm not blind.

 

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Even though Floyds made a career out of beating guys who come to him while both Duran and Chavez struggled or lost to smart boxers like Leonard, Taylor and Sweet Pea?

 

Any version of Floyd will "Gatti" a prime Chavez Sr. Chavez is not on Mayweather's level.

In fact I will go as far as saying Mayweather stops Chavez before the 8th.

There are levels to this shyt. Chavez was not on Mayweather's level.

 

What's your point? You seem to have forgotten that if you don't punch you don't win the fight. Obviously you prefer fights were there's little to no action. Taylor fought a brilliant fight and but for 2 seconds would have won.

This was one persons comment:

These two men gave the sport of boxing a historic war. No matter who won or lost. They both gave the fans something to remember for years. Pacquia vs Marquez, Gatti vs Ward, Castillo vs Corales, Hearns vs Lenard, Ali vs Fraiser

This is what boxing use to be all about. Warriors getting into the ring and entertaining the fans.

 

Angelo Dundee (Hall of Fame trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, among many others): “Oh gosh, Duran’s a living legend. And one of the best fighters today is Floyd Mayweather. That would be some fight. I tell you – it would be Floyd Mayweather’s toughest encounter. Duran against a guy with quick hands like Mayweather – he could nullify that. Duran offset quick hands through feints, head feints, foot feints and foot movements. He was a complete fighter. He had all that stuff going for him. Then he nails you. Then he bulls you too. Mayweather would be facing something he never faced before. You’re saying the fight would be at lightweight? I like Duran. Duran was slick, smart, body puncher, made you fall short with punches. At lightweight I would like Duran. He could get under your skin too. He could con you. He had ways to bother you. He was like Muhammad Ali in that way, but he couldn’t speak English. Duran was a real psyche artist.
“It’s tough. Mayweather always rises to the occasion. He impresses the hell out of me. I knew Duran from the inception – he trained at the Fifth Street Gym (Miami). I watched him all the time. A guy I trained, Duran was working with him – Vinnie Curto. A lightweight hurting a middleweight. There was no smarter, cuter fighter than Vinnie Curto. The only thing that bothered Duran was a long, left jab. And Mayweather doesn’t have that. Certain guys give certain guys problems. We haven’t seen what gives Mayweather problems. Are we talking 15 rounds? I like Duran. I like Duran. You’re talking about Mayweather going 15 rounds. Duran was pressure, pressure. He was strong. He could punch. God, he was a great lightweight. He takes advantage of every little thing. And he did it smooth, with grace. Everything was slick and smart. I like Duran.”
Harold Lederman (World-renowned boxing judge): “Duran in his prime vs. Mayweather in his prime…without question, I think it would be no contest. I did see Roberto Duran in his prime. I was in Madison Square Garden the first time he came in he fought Benny Huertas in that incredible one round fight. When he knocked out Benny Huertas. But they went toe-to-toe for the better part of one round. And at the that time Duran made such a big hit that they brought him back after. And I was the judge in that first fight that Roberto Duran ever lost to Esteban DeJesus in Madison Square Garden, where Duran walked into a left hook in the second round and he was sitting on the canvas looking up at DeJesus. And DeJesus just cruised to a ten-round decision. They fought two times after that for the Lightweight championship and Duran won both of them.
“But interestingly enough, Roberto Duran was an aggressive, very, very quick, very, very well trained, very well conditioned fighter. And when you look at Floyd Mayweather’s career, he did have trouble with a big Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight. And I think that, without question, I just don’t think that Mayweather, as good as he is, and he’s a very, very talented fighter, can hold off Duran. I mean, Duran was extremely aggressive. Hit very, very hard. Just an awful guy to beat. I mean, you had to be very, very strong and have a heckuva punch to hold him off. And Mayweather, although he has a good jab, has hand problems. I don’t think he can hit Duran hard enough, jab him hard enough without breaking his hands. And boy, when Mayweather hurts his hands you just know it. Because he starts going straight backwards, like he did with Famoso Hernandez and Victoriano Sosa.
“But with Duran, you had to have a heckuva punch or a heckuva great left jab to keep him off of you. Duran would have hammered him to the body. Eventually probably stopped him in eight or nine rounds.”