Julio Cesar Chavez Sr vs Ray Mancini At LW

Chavez would have a field day with Mancini.

 

Oh Lord, you must have Mancini.

Had JCC stayed at 135 he would be top 5 ever.

 

Poor Mancini would never be the same again after Chavez finished with him

 

Mancini is routinely underrated here, but there's no way you can intelligently pick him here. Chavez by TKO around round 8-9.

 

Ray tries his best til the end, but my God this would be a one sided beating.

Ref finally stops the massacre circa 9-10.

 

I like Mancini to last the fight presuming it is at 12 rds and that he does not get cut.

I like both guys, I just don’t envision JCC stopping Mancini unless this goes 15...I don’t think JCC ever fought 15?but I could be wrong. Mancini held tough against Arguello and while JCC is a different animal and style I like Mancini to finish on his feet.

JCC by 8-4 type of stuff with both guys landing some solid stuff

 

Mancini in an upset, 6-5-1, in a close fight.

 

Good points. I pick him to finish Ray quicker because Arguello was far more patient and gradual in his attack than Chavez would be.

 

Ummm... yeah, I think you're vastly overrating Ray.

He's only competitive until Chavez gets warmed up. By the mid rounds when the machine gets rolling, it becomes a brutal beating.

The gap in skill and ability between the two is rather enormous.

Ray doesn't see the final bell.

 

Chavez only fought a few fights at 135 if memory serves. One was his classic destruction of Rosario, another his stoppage of Ramirez. It was peak Chavez... And that is really saying something.

 

IDK, Mancini was a pretty rough dude, volume puncher. I pick him

 

Having a gap in skill is not an automatic guarantee of a stoppage. I over rate Ray? Interesting. I do enjoy his fights in a Gatti sense, but not sure I rate him all that high.

Lockridge goes 12, Tony Lopez lasts 10 and is in no danger outside of a cut. I think Ray is comparable to these 2, and if he is below them it is not a full rung below. I think unless he is cut ala Lopez he finishes this fight.

I don’t find it inconceivable that JCC stops him, I just don’t find it my most likely scenario. If that makes me a Ray overrater so be it.

 

Does Mancini claim that all of Chavez's previous opponents were Tijuana taxi cab drivers?

 

JCC and Mancini are a physical mismatch not in strength or fitness but in build and style....the Ramirez fight was great for Mancini but Ram is not a precise assassin like Chavez. I see this fight being competitive for 10-12 rds of war but with a near closeout on points with JCC edging each rd but the inside work with Mancinis wide body is a bad fit for Ray he can't defend himself up the middle against a master short range fighter and superior body puncher like JCC....Ray can take his power but not the compounded beating over 15rds and JCC can certainly take Rays...Ray had the same stylistic body type mismatch he had with Bramble who was very good up the middle where he could not defend well and his wider punches were ineffective the same thing happens here and because of JCC's power and precision punching he is stopped brutally.