Julio Cesar Chavez vs Aaron Pryor @140

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Aaron didn’t fight at 135 past his first couple of years in the game. By his 20th fight he was consistently a 140-pounder. He had no lightweight prime.
     
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    Reading interviews, during the very end of his career, it was mentioned that he only moved up to 140 to get a title shot. He considered himself a 135lber, but was unable to get the fights he wanted there.
     
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    I would say I don't know.. They were both so great, one longevity and that other on that night.. At other times I favor Pryor and others Chavez. Right now maybe Chavez.. He was more proven and experienced. Pryor had a great night with Arguello and stuck in there and took the right hand, and Alexis really relied on hurting Pryor and getting him out of there probably too much.
     
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    It’s addressed earlier in the thread: he literally fought two years where he made lightweight sometimes (18 fights, and some of those were heavier) before he moved up to 140.

    Now I’m sure as a two-year pro with 18 fights he wanted to get money fights with Howard Davis Jr and some others, or vault into a title fight, but that’s not really how it was working in those days. There were plenty of seasoned 135-pounders with some name value who surely would have fought him — they fought everyone else without hesitation — but he wanted a faster track and found one at 140.

    But as I mentioned earlier, this isn’t the case of an Archie Moore or Marvin Hagler going through contender after contender and being denied a shot at the top. He was still a novice. Of those 18 fights (max) I mentioned that he fought more often as a lightweight (and some we don’t even have weights listed so I may be being generous), eight were scheduled for 10 rounds and the MOST notable one was a former Canadian lightweight champ. It’s not a who’s who of lightweights of his era, or even of lightweight gatekeepers.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I'll stand corrected on that point. I turned 50 the other day so the memory already slipping.
     
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    Don’t worry about it. I forgot something once but it was so long ago I don’t even remember what it was.

    Happy half-century!
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Absolutely. The last time Pryor actually made 135 was the fight before Peppermint but he barely ever made 135. Not saying he couldn't but you are right in your other post in that he was in a big hurry and took the first shot he could get. Pryor would have absolutely got a shot at 135 if he stayed longer. He hadn't remotely put himself in a position to demand one.
     
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    By the time he fought Randall he wasn't the fighter he was 5 years earlier when he first hit 140. I'm not saying Pryor couldn't win by any stretch but using Chavez at that career stage doesn't prove much IMO.
     
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    Taylor suffered a broken eye socket, broken ribs, badly busted up face, had a lot of blood pumped from his stomach, was ****ing blood for weeks and was in hospital for almost 2 weeks following the fight.
     
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    Pryor UD

    His versatility is underrated.

    Hed use his funky movement to throw Chavez off his game.

    His handspeed and power would get JC's respect.

    His chin would hold up although he might suffer as flash knockdown as did happen a few times - Chavez was not a devastaing puncher at 140, actually not really in any division.
     
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    While Pryor could have made 135 I wouldn't say his prime was at 135 .. his entire championship reign was at 140 as well as his biggest, most decisive wins ..
     
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    He knocked down Ray? I know Leonard knocked Pryor down during sparring and i know they both had their moments.

    Yeah he was crazy all right. On his side is that most of his knockdowns if not all were flash/balance ones but i reckon he would have come running anyway hahaha.

    It's a top match. I'd be worried for anyone acting certain on this one.
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

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    Julio Caesar Chavez by a late round stoppage. This fight resembles the March 17 1990 fight against Meldrick Taylor. Aaron Pryor like Taylor will be ahead in the scoring but Chavez though methodical has enormous stamina, plus has power in his mitts. Pryor has a knack of getting knocked down by lesser opponents, he has speed but down the stretch, Julio wears him down to score a stoppage in round 12. Because if Pryor goes down, Chavez will be all over him like a shark that smells blood.
     
  14. Mark Dunham

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    50 is not old.

    Get on a good gym treadmill and gradually train for endurance running and speed, and you will turn back the clock

    minimize processed foods and hydrogenated oils. Increase omega 3 intake, kale, spinach, chard, parsley, whole grain bread, beet root and blueberries

    watch your salt b/c high blood pressure can creep up on you and cause widespread nerve damage, and a stroke

    That way, you can avoid the hospital until you're ready to drop dead
     
  15. Mark Dunham

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    the fur would fly but most of it it would be Julio's

    To be frank, I think Pryor would kick his ass
     
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