Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Carlos Ortiz

So little separates these two. I think perhaps Chavez's more precise body attack slows Carlos Ortiz down in the closing stages, allowing Chavez to nab the closing round to pull ahead, 8-7 or so. Wouldn't be surprised with a draw or two in a trilogy between them though.

 

chavez by UD. just too strong, too hard punching. ortiz would stay in there, but he´d be busted up in the end.

 

You do know Ortiz was a massive lightweight? He was a light welterweight champion before he moved down; and he dealt with punchers just as vicious as Chavez. He was never concussed in his entire professional career. There is nothing - nothing - that should lead us to think Ortiz would be ground down by Chavez.

Aside from physicalities, Ortiz was far too clever to let himself get battered against the ropes. He'd be playing a clever game of stick n' move - except this matador wouldn't have to rely on dancing and staying out of trouble, he could stand his ground and hold his own with Chavez if need be. If anything, I would even say Ortiz was the stronger and harder hitting of the two!

 

well i saw ortiz several times, but while he was more versatile than chavez (more adaptable to different styles), i just cant see him dealing with chavez style.
for chavez, he outpunched the sluggers and ground down the runner/boxers.
the only way ortiz can win this is by outboxing chavez....and he didnt have the speed to do it.

chavez would make him fight his fight on the inside. there, chavez heavier hands and higher punchrate would allow him to dominate.

 

Crazy. Ortiz could outbox Chavez - it's not like Chavez piles on the pressure in the same suffocating way as Henry Armstrong. Ortiz would have room to work, and he would take advantage of that. He was a clever fighter with all the physical tools to match Chavez.

But who says Ortiz has to box? From what I can see, having studied lots of footage of both fighters; Ortiz was the sharper hitter.

 

maybe not like armstrong.........but too much for ortiz.

at lightweight only a defensive wizard like whitaker would have outboxed chavez.
but in regards to defensive skills, ortiz was no whitaker.

chavez forces him in the trenches and beats him up. end of story.

 

No, it's not the end of the story at all. Why do you think Ortiz has to imitate Whitaker and follow his blueprint? He was intelligent enough to box his own way and invent a new method of beating Chavez. He'd win by simply being better on the outside; at close quarters it would be even, but every time the two part, Ortiz would start firing those jabs, shifting back and cranking up those right hands. Chavez would eventually get inside every time but he'd have conceded points on the way in.

And there is no such thing as drowning Ortiz late in a fight. His own workrate was solid, and he fought the full fifteen round distance many a time. He also carried his power very well, knocking out several opponents after the tenth round.

 

invent his own way at beating chavez......

ortiz is better on the outside.........Against chavez there is no outside!!

either run, move doge and dive, or stay on the inside and war.

and ortiz cant beat chavez in close.

 

From where this idea of a fanatical, rabid, Armstrong-esque Chavez came from, I have no idea. But it's false.

 

you are dreaming! chavez in his prime was not easy to catch coming in.

he´d slip ortiz shots and put his head on his chest.

and on the inside it NOT EVEN!!!

chavez hit harder, had the better workrate.......simply the better inside fighter. ortiz may survive due to his durablility, but he´d take a beating.

 

watch the camacho fight. and that wasnt even prime chavez.

 

not even rosario had the power to keep the fight on the outside.:nono

 

I've seen it. What?

 

yeah, but remember that chavez walked right through rosarios shots!

so he could do the same vs ortiz.

and forget the ramirez fight. he was chavez friend. he didnt want to punish him.