Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Carlos Ortiz

well, then you know that against chavez, there is NO outside.

 

So it doesn't matter to you that there is a massive style difference between Ortiz and Camacho?

... Some analyst you are.

 

Chavez would hardly have a field day on the inside anyway.

Ortiz was a huge lightweight and equally adept inside or out.

 

Yes. The notion that Chavez would pummel Ortiz mercilessly on the inside is ridiculous.

 

Ortiz was stronger than Rosario. Rosario punched harder, but once Chavez took his shofts, he softened him up quite easily with his own artillery. That wouldn't happen to Ortiz. When guys were really strong, Chavez could not really break them down. See the Laporte and Ramirez fights for example. Chavez would not find it easy to break Ortiz down and punish him, it will be a keenly contested fight all the way. If anyone gets a little tired though, I think it will be Ortiz just enough to allow Chavez to get his nose in front and edge it right at the end. At the end of the day we have seen a prime -ish Ortiz fade at the end of a fight (Laguna I - yes I know Ortiz wasn't in great shape for it, plus he had certain other uninspiring efforts, losing to Lane, Busso, Cruz) Chavez never did near his prime.

 

Ortiz, would, in my opinion have had too much savvy for Chavez. He was a clever, all around complete fighter adept at the 15 round distance, and would have frustrated Chavez by having an answer for Julio's aggression.

 

A big puncher & fleetfooted fighter like Mayweather couldn't box circles around Chavez. Chavez slips punches from the outside very well & comes in hard with combinations with a steady body attack. This is how he grinds down an opponent. Even a superfast fighter as Taylor could not deny Chavez from coming inside to do damage. Ortiz is indeed strong & tough. But Chavez would have the speed & punching accuracy advantage, which would be the big factor & wearing down Ortiz. Chavez UD.

 

But this is just it... He wouldn't! Where are all these misconceptions sprouting from?

 

I like Carlos Ortiz by decision

 

I wouldnt necessarily say ortiz's resume is better. Its about the same IMO.

Meldrick taylor
Hector camacho
edwin rosario
rocky lockridge
tony lopez
jose luis ramirez
rafeal limon
roger mayweather
greg haugen

I can argue that camacho is greater than ramos, laguna, elorde, loi and joe brown. He is about on par with locce, that would have been a 50/50 fight. Meldrick Taylor would have beaten most guys that ortiz beat too.

 

I still stand by it.

 

An in shape Ortiz takes this ,imo ,he was a strong lightweight ,versatile ,very accurate with hard punches and his boxing ability was superior to JCC,s imo he aint getting ground down here,if he had to trade he could hold his own,hes too savvy for Chavez I think.Carlos by u dec.

 

Shows how little is known about Carlos Ortiz, to say that Chavez would beat him. Chavez never fought anyone, out side of Whitaker, who had the ability of Ortiz. Ortiz would be too smart and crafty for JCC, and would have handed him a defeat, in their primes. Ortiz would have controlled the fight much like Frankie Randall did in his upset of Chavez, but Carlos was a much better fighter than Randall, and would have put some hurt on Chavez as well, a knockdown or two wouldn't have been surprising. Ortiz by a unanimous 15 round decision.

 

i think Chavez would out work Ortiz and get a close decision like what Loi did.