Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Howard Davis Jr.

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  1. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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  2. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Btw, T-Booze, you think that stoppage was correct? IMO a big robbery for the poor Taylor, 3 seconds or so to go and that little **** Steele stopped it, although Meldrick was on his feet, JCC would have needed 5 seconds to ran to him, and he stopped the fight... :-(
     
  3. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definately --- not a competative fight.
    Chavez walks right through --- Howard "Cant Break An Egg" Davis.
     
  4. MotorCityCobra

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    Agreed.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Howard was my favourite lightweight for years before being joined by Edwin Rosario. He was the most promising fighter on earth at one stage, ahead of Leonard, Spinks and co but just didn't get there. His style and assets didn't blend as well as predicted when he joined the pro ranks, or maybe he was simply missing that X-factor. I thought he peaked around the Coverson bout and had turned the corner. I would have taken him over Mancini and Camacho at that exact time, rightly or wrongly. Howards big achilles heel for one was his chin. It really wasn't that good. Chavez is all wrong for Howard, all wrong. Howard was the fastest fighter in the world for some time, and for maybe a few rounds he would be competitive, maybe. Chavez however cut off the ring and worked the body better than Howard could ever imagine. At his best at 135 he is going to track down most anybody ever, and certainly Howard. Chavez will be patient, chugging forward, cutting off the ring, finding the body. After 4 or 5 rounds Howard will be slowing. Chavez could easily ramp up at this stage and i could see him stopping Davis anywhere between 5 and 8. Earlier is not totally out of the question either. Chavez at 135 is brilliant and Howard has never fought anyone even remotely comparable. Rosario's scoring success and opportunities bode very well for Chavez here, he is much busier than Rosario was in this fight and cuts the ring and works the body far better as well.

    Good to see Howard getting exposure, he was one interesting fighter.
     
  6. Pat_Lowe

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    Taylor was winning the fight but he wasn't dominating. I've watched the fight many times and the HBO commentary that night was ridiculously biased, for example I recall that Harold Ledderman scored it 11-0 in rounds at the time of the stoppage. Taylor was winning the fight based on sheer volume of punches but Chavez was in it the whole time, I think 7-4 would be about right in terms of scoring, he was finishing many of the exchanges and clearly his punches were having more of an effect, it all depends on if you score for quality or quantity. Anyway Taylor couldn't crack an egg yet he fought like he could, thats why he lost the fight. Simple.

    In regards to the stoppage, Taylor was asked twice if he ok, he didn't respond. Theres absolutely no justification for letting the fight continue. He was in such a state that he couldn't answer that question, what is Steel ment to do "Are you ok?......Are you ok?.........alright continue anyway".

    Chavez beats Davis, Davis' chin left much to be desired, yes he had some success against Taylor but that comes down to Taylor's lack of power again, Davis didn't have to worry abut getting KOed or rocked. Chavez's struggles with 'boxers' is greatly exaggerated. He struggled with a very talented fighter in Taylor and an all time great in Whitaker. Thats all really, in his prime he went through everyone else. Think about this, who didn't struggle with Whitaker? Even when way past his prime and on crack he managed to make Trinidad look stupid and he did take some rounds in that fight. De La Hoya was embarassed and possibly beaten by Whitaker too.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    Taylor was a bit green vs Davis too.
     
  8. Pat_Lowe

    Pat_Lowe Active Member Full Member

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    Thats true, I watched the fight a while back and I scored it for Taylor but a draw is possible. The commentators seemed to be a bit shocked if I remember. I'm stuggling to remember but I think Taylor was being outfought a bit on the inside vs Davis and was having more success on the outside. Not sure though
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Spoken by someone who has never been cut or injured in a boxing fight.;)
     
  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Davis would have troubled Chavez alot but Chavez would have won but It could have possibly been a VERY close fight.

    Davis's movement alone would have troubled Chavez.And unlike Taylor Davis won't stand and exchange.

    Think of Chavez's bout vs Lonnie Smith but instead of a boxer running for his life think of a boxer using alot of movement mixing in punches.
     
  11. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    Chavez decisions Howard. I think Howard had enough heart to last, despite the chin.
     
  12. ThinBlack

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    Five years later, thinking Howard could cause Julio some serious problems, maybe score an upset.But he better stay off the ropes can keep movement up to a maximum.
     
  13. tommy the hat

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    Davis would wilt under a Chavez body attack by the mid rounds.
     
  14. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This:deal