Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Shane Mosley @ 135

Sonny Carson · Aug 22, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

Chavez was in his prime at 135 as well.

And no I didn't see Shane giving Oscar much problem moving in their fight, Oscar was stalking, Shane got the best of him as th efight progressed because Oscar was basically a robot doing the same thing, and Shane's style and aggression in the exchanges threw him off. If Chavez could adapt to Taylor's style, he could surely adapt to Shane's, and also, Chavez was surely better at stalking and cutting off the ring than Oscar, so I don't see where that point came from.
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When was Chavez better at cuttin off the ring and stalking a fast fighter? The only person he cut off the ring well on was Camacho and that was because Camacho was shot by the time he fought him. If they fought at 130 Camacho would have beat him.

Sonny Carson · Aug 22, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

Alright let's not listen to you anymore, you're a bit off. As good as Camacho was, you saw what happened when he got rocked, which he almost certainly would against Chavez, he started holding and running. Chavez would do what Rosario did but more effectively.

And anyone who thinks De La Hoya was better at cutting off the ring and pressuring an opponent than Chavez is a bit whacky.
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I'm talking about a fighter with real speed and movement like a Whitaker or a younger Camacho. I'm not talking about cuttin off the ring against Greg Haugan or Rosario.

Sonny Carson · Aug 22, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

Alright let's not listen to you anymore, you're a bit off. As good as Camacho was, you saw what happened when he got rocked, which he almost certainly would against Chavez, he started holding and running. Chavez would do what Rosario did but more effectively.

And anyone who thinks De La Hoya was better at cutting off the ring and pressuring an opponent than Chavez is a bit whacky.
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And Manny Stewerd said Julio didn't have the footwork to really cut off the ring.

Sonny Carson · Aug 22, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

OK, so when did De La Hoya show the ability to do that? Chavez showed it against everyone he ever fought other than Whitaker when he was slightly past his best(then again, NOONE can argue that Shane's mastery of the ring even compares to Whitaker). Otherwise it didn't matter about speed, his ability to cut you off was superb.

I don't know what Manny is talking about, watch him fight. And again, Shane has never shown me great movement.
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And Chavez has never cut off the ring against anybody with good or great movement except for an out of prime Camacho. He got outboxed by Frankie Randall twice. The guy's he fought in the 80's weren't movers. When he fought guy's with movement he had trouble.

dave82 · Aug 22, 2007

Requiem4Swtscie said:

And you have this idea that because Taylor and whitaker didn't fight like Shane that must mean that the way to beat Chavez was to fight the way they fought.

But that is completely false. They only show that Chavez was vulnerable to those styles if you had their talent. Otherwise any boxer would be able to outbox Chavez, but that wasn't the case.

Shane would beat Chavez differently because he has different strengths and skills.
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sweet_scientist · Aug 23, 2007

Requiem4Swtscie said:

Again young fool! You can deny all you want. These are not myths they are FACTS, as they were witnessed by numerous CREDIBLE people. You don't have to take my word.....you can ask a MULTITUDE of West Coast writers about these sparring sessions.

And no one said Shane kicked their ass.....what was said is that Nelson, Hernandez, Chavez and many many others could not fight at half speed against a teenage Shane Mosley.

He was already bigger than them though he not fully matured obviously. No one is saying he beats them in a real fight without head gear.

What is being said is that Shane's legend started in those gyms against elite fighters, as a TEENAGER.

None of your BULL**** changes that. Eyewitness accounts are SO NUMEROUS IT IS RIDICULOUS! Anytime they talk about Shane, whether it is Iole, Fischer, Kim, Gerbasi, Raskin, and numerous others THESE SESSIONS ARE MENTIONED.

But some dumb **** that just started watching the sport 3-5 years ago, who didn't even see Taylor-Chavez live.....is going to tell those of us who were there what happened.
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They could not fight at half speed with a teenage Mosley? What does that mean? Are you saying that Shane held his own with Chavez and Nelson when they were going full bore with him in the gym and he was only a teenager at the time?

For all of your boasting you have given **** all of specifics about what went down. You've boasted of irrelevant **** like knowing Mosley's nick names and as such. Who cares?

And of the footage of Chavez-Mosley sparring that I've seen Mosley didn't look all that young but he was WAY smaller than Chavez there.

As for insinuating that I'm young and new to the sport, please man, I've seen great fighters you haven't even HEARD about.

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