Julio Cesar Chavez vs Sugar Shane Mosley @ 135

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Danny_Rand, Feb 22, 2009.


  1. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

    9,989
    2
    Jun 28, 2008
    How do you think this fight would have gone? Mosley had something like a 95% KO percentage at 135, while Chavez is considered to have had a granite chin and a almost flawless stamina and will combined with excellent ability to place shots precisely causing the maximum amount of damage to his opponent.

    I think Mosley would have a good chance of stopping him at this weight personally. His experience growing up fighting Mexican swarmers, his insane speed and punching power in his younger days I feel Chavez is at a massive stylistic disadvantage fighting a guy like Mosley who I think can slug it out with the best sluggers all time and who also holds a decent size advantage over him aswell.

    Discuss.
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004
    Mosley's amazing physical attributes make him a tough, tough fight for anyone at 135..Especially against less mobile guys like Chavez.

    Alas I think he always falls short against the top tier fighters at lightweight and would probably lose to some fighters in the next tier who are a stylistic problem for him.

    I think JCC faced much bigger punchers than Mosley at lightweight and handled their power fine. Shane relied more on his physical strength and speed to overwhelm his opponants than one shot power. I think watching his lightweight fights and considering the fact he hardly holds an early KO over any of his better lightweight opponants support this.

    Shane had problems with the technical ability and workrate of Holiday..and lets face it Chavez is like a 10 times better than Phil.

    I couldnt see Shane winning this one more often than not..Id probably say Chavez grinds out the decision 8 or 9 times out of 10.
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    106
    Jun 30, 2008
    I'd take Chavez in a war. Mosley was never great defensively and had a tendency to get himself into brawls, and although he was/is very well coordinated in such situations, Chavez was freakishly accurate at his best. Underrated defense himself.

    The size advantage for Mosley could play a part, but it's not enough for me to pick him. Close, very exciting fight, the more accurate Chavez comes out the winner IMO.
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004
    :-(

    Chavez quite clearly showed better adaptability and versatility throughout his career..Shane is far from unbeatable at lightweight.

    You are jizzing on Mosley's legacy more than shitting on Chavez's. Cant see the justification for it.
     
  5. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

    9,989
    2
    Jun 28, 2008
    Chavez was versatile yes, and one of the best ever at 135, but Mosley was a monster at 135, who very much looked unbeatable and shown throughout his career to thrive against fighters like Chavez. I dont think its jizzing as much as reality. Its nothing against Chavez it would be very difficult fight for him.
     
  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004
    "Mosley unbeatable at 135"...Mosley more versatile than Chavez?..Pure jizz talk. That guy is quite disconnected from reality if he thinks that actually.

    There are several guys I would confidently pick over Shane at 135..He would give them all hell nonetheless but he couldnt beat them IMO.

    If you have seen Holiday-Mosley than I cant see why you would think Shane was unbeatable or even near unbeatable there. Shane looked great but his resume is fairly thin.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  7. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

    9,989
    2
    Jun 28, 2008
    Mosley could box, he could slug, he could fight off the back foot or fight on the front foot. I agree that he was more versatile then Chavez. What reasoning do you have to say otherwise? He was versatile for the type of fighter he was, he could jab, feint and place punches when he had to but he wasnt a boxer in the pure sense of the word.
     
  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004

    Look mate there is no point discussing this with you as you have obviously only seen a couple of Chavez fights..You are in way over your head. Mosley is the one that really only fights one way and JCC showed great inside and outside ability throughout his career..Outbrawling, outboxing and outworking fighters where each approach was necessary.

    Where was this versatility against Winky and Forrest for Shane? He looked straight up confused in those fights. JCC is a different fighter stylistcally but he is overall better than both and he would find a way to win nearly every time.
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004
    There is no point argueing with you guys if you dont know the examples I am referring to ..Because it seems pretty obvious that you havent seen these fights.

    Again watch Holiday-Mosley...Phil was the best fighter Shane fought at lightweight and he didnt dominate that fight in any sense of the word.

    Watch the Taylor fight again..Where Chavez proved his was able to adapt to a fighter who had his number stylistcally on the night.
    Watch the Laporte, Mayweather, Rosario, Ramirez, Castillo and Camacho fights if you want to see why Chavez is considered versatile..As he showed he able to win using different strategies against different styles, stances and dominant attributes when they were needed.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  10. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,095
    980
    Dec 16, 2007
    Mosley resume at 135 was suspect. Ill take Chavez to K.O Sugar in 10. That's right K.O., Chavez isn't a legend for nothing. Chavez stamina will be the difference between the two. Mosleys opponents tend to tire towards the end of fights were Chavez is at his best.
     
  11. Cerberus

    Cerberus Kérberos, Hound of Hades Full Member

    1,384
    1
    Jan 9, 2007
    Chavez was the epitome of chin, workrate, and heart. But c'mon let's not pretend he was something he's not. He would not outbox Shane Mosley. That is ******ed.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  12. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004
    Fine mate..thats your take. But closely watch the fights Ive mentioned before you make your mind up for good.
     
  13. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    35,025
    18,289
    Jul 29, 2004

    I have not seen anyone say that yet..But Chavez would be using his skills to beat Shane, make no mistake.
     
  14. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    106
    Jun 30, 2008
    Chavez is unrealisticly underrated as a tactician. He was better than Mosley in that regard, and yes, a more versatile fighter. The Chavez of the Rosario and Ramirez fights was a plain better all-around fighter than Mosley. Shane's phsyical advantages make it close, but he doesn't win.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  15. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

    9,989
    2
    Jun 28, 2008
    What tactics would he use to beat Mosley? Would he turn into a counter punching wizard with a lightning jab like Wright and Forrest?