he has a good resume, I'm not disputing that at all. however, where he has a draw with Pernell Whitaker, it should read UD loss.
Point well taken. His resume is much better than Jones. Since i was far too young even though i remember watching teh fights in my living room i dont think its fair for me to break it down. Maybe somebody a little older should. I have watched the Whittaker fight and yes i think he got a gift.
it was a blatant and huge Texas gift. everything really is bigger in Texas. besides that, sure he beat a lot of nobodies and had an inflated record, but he still ended up beating a lot of future/former champions and I think deserves his place in the HOF. I'm not one to break down a resume as large as his, but it's a pretty good one.
Hmmm. Very similar IMO. Their best wins are unequally brilliant - Taylor and Toney. But Toney was more seasoned fighter than Taylor, and Jones's performance was much more dominant. The second tier of names is roughly comprable as well. So then it's a number crunch. 89-0 is exceptional.
Their biggest wins are about equal but look at what else is there after those big wins. Chavez fought a larger quantity of greater fighters. Wasnt Jones fighting police officers and public servant even during his prime?
Prime Chavez is a bit of a mystery to me. I really only know his work post-Taylor. But from what I can decipher, the notable names are: Haugen, Camacho, Taylor, Mayweather, Ramirez and Rosario. Not a lot of depth? :think
The biggest mistake people frequently make, is they consider Chavez to be near prime after 1990. His peak was the late 80's and whilst we all agree the Whitaker decision was bad, it should be noted he was against a great fighter, a weight division above his best and 7 or 8 years past his true prime. Prime Chavez was an excellent offensive fighter, very sound defensively, tough as hell and a brilliant pressure fighter. The way he used pressure to break people down, was almost second to none. Great fighter in his prime.
It seems all people wanna talk about is the Whittaker fight and they base their assuption on that which im sure about 50% of the people on this forum havent seen. I agree Whittaker shoudl have won it but hey he didnt only fight Whittaker.
it goes a little something like this Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Good fighter Bum Bum Good fighter (gift) Bum Great fighter (gift) Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Good fighter ZOMG 100-0 DATS REMARKABLE!!!
Boxing will never have another fighter like Chavez. He is among the very best the sport has ever seen. His amazing record is too long to analyse in detail. However it is beyond reproach. 115 fights over a 25 year career (1980-2005). Who in the modern era can compete with that? No one. Not even the Pac Man. (Pacquiao V Chavez, anyone?) From 1983 until 1995 JC was a world class war horse of the highest calibre. He fought too many top contenders and ex world champs to mention and he had more than a few superfights. I'm not sure how many future Hall of Famers he fought, but its sure to be more than most. Then there are the fights themselves. What about the first Taylor fight? The Haugen fight? Camacho, Ramirez, Randall, Rosario, LaPorte, Whitaker, Mayweather, Lockridge. He had so many great fights , I can't remember them all. He fought quite a few of these guys more than once. He was a true prize fighter and win, lose or draw the fans always got their monies worth. JC was a fearsome body puncher and a great finisher. He also had a great chin and loved to trade punches. There's no one quite like him around today. In his prime Chavez fought at least three times a year, sometimes four or five. Name one current world champ with the balls for that! It took a young De La Hoya to remind us how old he was getting and even then he fought on for another 10 years! What a warrior! Money grubbers like Mayweather and David Haye should look at Chavez's record and hang their heads in shame.