Junior JOnes on the night be beat Barrera VS Pacman at 122

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MAB's boxing skills are pretty close to JMM's, but imho JMM is and always has been the natually larger man and ultimately that may be the difference between them.

    I think Pac could be taken by Junior at this weight, it's not even close to Pac's best weight and jr was pretty ****ing dangerous until McKinney and Erik teamed up to take some starch out of him. I'm not picking a winner, I think it's a toss-up fight.
     
  2. FINITO

    FINITO Boxing Junkie banned

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    Put a long stiff jab in pac's face and he's like a deer caught in a headlight. He has no answer for a good jab, even now..

    Jones' jab was supreme and his straight right hand was lethal.. A perfect weapon for the southpaw..

    His problem was his jaw but it's not like pac hasn't been knocked out by bums either.
     
  3. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah Junior had the tools to win the fight. If he can land that right hand it's a long night for anyone against him. Or a very short night, one of the other.
     
  4. divac

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    Dimensions you are wrong......MAB for lack of a right hand was a left hook, left handed happy type of fighter......
    A great fighter with a great plan is able to key in on that and exploit it.......Junior Jones and Manny Pacquiao exploited that to the nth degree......when you take away MAB's left hand, he becomes just an average fighter.

    .....that cannot be said of either JMM or Morales, thus they're a more multifaceted type fighter able to apply different dimensions to their game......


    Jab, left hook, run laterally in circles......thats about all the dimension there is to MAB......

    ......you might think MAB has a better left hook than JMM because MAB uses it more in his arsenal as the left is his key weapon, his right is'nt used on a consistent basis......
    .....where's JMM uses the right as equally as the left, and goes downstairs as well as up in all forms and variety in degrees with straight, crosses, uppercuts, and in between.......

    ......sorry but MAB having more dimensions just rings as hollow and brittle as an empty milk bucket having sat in the sun for a month!
     
  5. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't be... ****ing... ******ed.

    MAB had an excellent right hand and dropped mother****ers consistently with it, including JMM. I don't understand posters like you, who know NOTHING about the fighter you're commenting on but feel like you have to say something anyway. ****ing irritating.
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones definitely could box at a high level.....he had Tommy Hearns like qualities......kind of the mini-Hearns, but like Hearns his chin was'nt at the upper echelon or even close.

    Its possible that Junior Jones could have taken Pac's left away by focusing on not getting hit by it.......Jones definitely had the height and lenghth to maybe rid himself of getting tagged with that left of Manny's, but I would'nt bet on it.
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    MAB was sloppy with that right hand.......he dragged it........
    JMM did run into it......but take a look at that round.....MAB was gettting tee'd off at, Marquez was hitting him at will that he figured MAB was in position to be disposed of......

    ......Marquez then opened himself even further believing MAB had weakened and MAB hit JMM lucky with that right hand.......right on the button and yet the shot did'nt have the power to put JMM down proper that ref Nady thought is was a slip on JMM's part......
    ......the way JMM outstretched his arms to hold himself up and keep his balance, looked like a fighter who had either tripped or slip......

    .....had that right hand carried some mustard, JMM would have been in real trouble, but with the right hand, MAB does'nt have the ability ot land it with that type of power.


    Sorry but MAB=left hook happy!:deal
     
  8. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah? Then maybe someone should tell Mzonke Fana that he was being ridiculous laying on the floor, twitching and unconscious like that from such a sissy right hand.
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mzonke Fana huh.......I stand corrected!:lol:
     
  10. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lemme guess... you would need a list of all opponents he KO'd with a right hand before you believe he had one, right idiot?
     
  11. HyperBone

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    why did this thread turn into a jmm-mab debate? lol. oh, cause divac is around
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I stopped reading after that. I've watched practically every fight he ever took part in as a professional, don't ****ing tell me he was left hand happy you idiot.

    :patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Dont even respond to him. Anybody who doesn't think MAB effectively used his right hand often, doesn't know **** about MAB. There is debate here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CslPeE4TqFs&feature=channel_page

    This video does all the talking.

    ...Left hand happy..****ing clown.
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    MAB is very wide and sloppy looking throwing that right hand.....its not as, hard, straight, or accurate in comparing it with Marquez' or a Morales right hand.

    Its the reason why Pac was twice able to dominate him.......

    ......maybe bernie and selfkill can explain to us all why JMM stylistically dominated Pac when what they believe is the fighter with more "dimensions" was dominated by the Pacster!
    I'd love to hear it!:D
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I acknowledge that MAB's right hand was not as straight as Marquez's right, if you actually read my post, you'd have clearly seen this. However, to say MAB was "left hand happy" is bull****, and you almost lose all credibility in saying so. Don't insult my intelligence. He knocked out many a fighter with his right hand, and as well as knocking your boy down to the canvas with it, it was doing more damage to Morales than Morales right hand was doing to Barrera in their three fights. Don't believe me? Watch the fights again.

    I think Barrera has more dimensions with his offense than Marquez for a number of reasons. Like I said, MAB was always a better body puncher than Marquez, I don't expect to many arguements here. I believe Marco to also be the better inside fighter at his peak at 122lb. They are both tremendous combination punchers, they BOTH use their right and left effectively, whereas MAB had the slight edge in handspeed. This was most notable when Marco was at 122lb.