Junior Witter:- the truth!

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by KCD, Jan 16, 2008.


  1. Tony Harrison

    Tony Harrison Active Member Full Member

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    Witter is a strange fighter. All that posturing and the large periods of inactivity he has shown in every fight he has had do not bode well for a fight with Hatton.

    Has Witter ever fought a relentless come forward brawler in the Hatton mode?

    I can't remember an occasion where Witter has looked flustered or overwhelmed. Then again I have not paid that much attention to his career due to his style having similar effects to general anaesthetic.

    He would definately pose a danger to Hatton with his hurtful counters but surely he would be overwhelmed by Hatton's workrate and (albeit diminished) stamina in the later rounds.
     
  2. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    On 5-4-2003 Hatton fought Vince Phillips whilst Witter was fighting Jurgen Haek and Fred Kinuthia, by beating these fighters did Witter deserve to fight Hatton, it would have been a major step down for Hatton! FACT

    On 4-6-2005 Hatton beat Tszyu for the number 1 position in the division, at the same time Witter was stepping up his opposition by fighting Lovemore N'dou and lets face it even the Witter fans have to say he struggled down the stretch. After this fight Witter has upped his profile to division 1 standards, but not worthy of a Hatton fight.

    On23-6-2207 Hatton beat a great fighter in Castillo in explosive fashion, and even after the stoppage everyone was making excuses on why Castillo got blown away, not how good Hattons performance was.

    At the same time Witter beat Harris in what was a good finish but over a guy who did have good wins in his last two fights but they where over an ancient blown up Stevie Johnston and Juan Lazcarno who were both career lightweights.

    So what im trying to get at is only over the last year should Ricky even be contemplating fighting Witter only know is Witter gaining profile, people know who he is but is he elite yet? There maybe better p4p fighters out there than Hatton but you have to admit he has hardly ever had a bad day at the office at 140lbs, i say let Hatton have a welcome home fight and Witter fight Hopkins and then let them get it on later in the year.
     
  3. D.Haye-no1-p4p

    D.Haye-no1-p4p Active Member Full Member

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    You really think Ricky could take 5,6,7 'hurtful counters' per round, and last into the later rounds?

    I doubt this, I think Junior stops Ricky. Ricky's best chance is to tie up Witter and stop him countering, Witter is too skillful for this though - I see Witter winning relatively easy.
     
  4. D.Haye-no1-p4p

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    Witter said he's step in for (I forget who Hatton was originally supposed to fight) on something like a week's notice, Hatton fought Pedersen instead.

    No excuse there.
     
  5. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    conveniently you didn't mention all the clowns Hatton fought for the WBU, Witter had much more status than any of them and was calling Wicky out.
    Castillo and particularly Phillips were fossils when Hatton cherrypicked them, that's not even a debate.
    Not a lot left is there?
     
  6. KCD

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    I personally think that Maussa and Harris arent top 10 fighters, top 15 but not top 10.

    I agree with what you are saying in respect to the loser is not necessarily the underdog in the rematch ala Lewis Rahman.

    I know aswell that your a big Witter fan and as i said in my original post im not really a Hatton or Witter fan but im not ahater either, im a Cotto fan myself.
     
  7. KCD

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    Why does everyone think Witter is the most skillful boxer around, he lunges with punches has a punch output of what? 12 a round has footwork like he is boxing in mud, when they fight you will see that Hatton is a lot quicker than Witter and whats Witter going to do when he gets hit, i will tell you he will go back to what he knows best he will revert to type, he will become the Witter of old running away from confrontation trying to hit and spoil.

    Everyone talks like all Witter has to do is show up and alot of people are underestimating Hattons skills by what Mayweather did, even Mayweather said that it was his hardest fight, then you are going to be dissapointed, Mayweather is Man United and Witter is Leeds United there is a gigantic gap between them when it come sto skills.

    and one question if Castillo was shot what does that make Harris? Castillo had just beat Ngoudjo ( granted a close fight) who has gone on to give Malignaggi fits.

    Harris had just beat a blown up lightweight in an extremely close fight in Lazcano.

    and Hattons performance was more impressive!
     
  8. D.Haye-no1-p4p

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    You obviously have not seen Witter fight.

    He's clearly very skillful, his counter-punching, speed and reflexes are all excellent.

    A boxer cannot fight with his hands down (and get away with it) the way Witter does if he's is not skillful.

    To say Hatton is faster than Witter is almost laughable.

    Hatton would come forward at Witter the same way he did vs Mayweather and eat counters all night long before being knocked out...true story.
     
  9. KCD

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    No ive only seen him fight live several times thank you, have you ever seen Hatton fight?

    Did you not see his footwork to get to Mayweather? Granted he was nulified in the end but is Witter Mayweather? Not in yours, mine and all the Wittermaniacs lifetimes put together. and whats Witter going to do when he gets bullied and mauled and the pace that Hatton will set will have Witter wooden legged by round 5 FACT

    Witter has fast hands against the commonwealth fighters and british fighters he has fought but since he has moved up i think he has been quite tame.

    p.s. if Hatton is ducking Witter because he wouldnt fight him was Witter ducking Magee when he refused to fight him and fought a lower calibre fighter? Its nonsense
     
  10. robpalmer135

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    what about when Witter fought Judah, who did Hatton face that month??
     
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  12. D.Haye-no1-p4p

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    Seen them both fight many times and I know Hatton is tailor made for Witter.

    You keep going on about Witter's footwork or lack of. Are you mad, have you seen him box - he boxed the ears off of N'Dou in the final four rounds it takes good movement to do this.

    The power he gets in his hooks is also a lot to do with his stance and ultimately his foot work.

    Yeah, your right Witter has looked really slow when he's fought people outwith the commonwealth like N'Dou, Corley and Harris. :patsch

    Hatton can use his 'amazing ali-esque twinkle toes' to get to Witter, but he won't manage to bully Witter and will be taken apart by counters...fact.
     
  13. KCD

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    Hatton was only fighting Gilbert Quiroz, there you have a point, but if you look deeper Witters last 5 opponents prior to Judah had a combined record of 45-71-5 now Hattons wasnt that much better but what im trying to say is that they where at a similar level at that point.

    All credit to Witter for taking the Judah fight, i must admit i didnt think he would last long, you got to admit he went in there to survive but it was good experience for him. At that point in their carreers they where at an even level if you want to blame anybody blame the support system, im not talking Frank Warren im talking Brendan Ingle because to me it just looks like Hattons camp had a long term plan whilst Witters camp didnt have a clue what to do with him, only know seven years later has he become to be noticed. Warren seems to always take the blame over Witters situation yet he could have got another promoter/manager alot sooner, once again just my thoughts!
     
  14. KCD

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    Yes he may have good power but thats all it is its good power not great power but good. He hasnt shown quality finishing since he moved up in class. You talk of him wearing Hatton down but how will he do that when he only throws about 12 punches a round?

    You also mention Witters performances against Ndou, Corley and Harris, against Ndou i thought he looked horrible after the first four rounds and i think his fight with Corley was an insomniacs dream.

    What about Hattons performances against Magee, Tackie, Castillo and obviously Tszyu?
     
  15. robpalmer135

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    If your a Hatton lover you don't like Witter
    If your a Hatton hater you like Witter.

    I doubt there are many the generally follow Witter, he won't get more than 100 fans going to the states.