Junior Witter?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by KCD, Jul 27, 2008.


  1. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think the stamina is still pretty good, but clearly not what it was.

    For me, he needs to either buck his ideas up or pack in, because he can really cement his legacy in the next couple of fights.

    He needs to be less gung ho - he does have boxing skills and a decent jab, but never uses them!
     
  2. TFFP

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    Of course its gone, he's running out of gas before he ever did. You can speculate the reasons for it, there are many, but the proof is in the pudding.

    He ran out of gas against Juan Lazcano for christ sake, that wasn't because he was fighting anybody great. It could be that he doesn't have the desire he once did, or more likely because he drinks too many beers for a professional athlete.
     
  3. Beeston Brawler

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    I was impressed with the stamina against Lazcano - because against Collazo and Urango he gassed badly.

    I agree though, the crispy duck and beer is catching up. One would question whether he would have done as well as he has if he had lived the life - i.e. twisted logic could say that he would have lost the appetite for it a lot earlier.
     
  4. TFFP

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    When you fight like Ricky Hatton, you've got to have stamina for 12 rounds. It's the beginning of the end for him. Might get away with it against Malinaggi, but further down the road I see big trouble. I even give Pacquiao a big chance now.
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Hatton fought at the SAME frenetic pace his always fought at. The diffrence was he was getting hit. When you get hit you slow down end of story. Juan may have seen his best days at 35 and his not a career light welter but his certainly not a can. His also 10 times better than the club fighters that Hatton was beating up to the tune of the WBU some years back. Anyone can lo0ok good beating stiffs. When the quality of your competition goes up that story changes. What you seem to conviniently igonore is that Hattons lifestyle has been the same SINCE he turned pro. NOTHING has changed. He liked a beer back then he still likes one now. Surprise surprise.
     
  6. TFFP

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    Can't argue with that, Hatton fought some terrible cans during his WBU days. It is remarkably convenient how short his "prime" was - according to his fans. It seems to start at round 1 of Tszyu, and end at round 12. Now that he hasn't looked so good he's past prime :yep
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    I think people did underestimate how tough Lazcano was - he was in the last chance saloon and came to WIN.

    Better that than standing behind his guard all night long, taking a beating for six rounds and taking a dive - upon which the Hatton huggers would say Ricky destroyed Lazcano etc etc

    He has always been pretty hittable, and with Lazcano not exactly being feather fisted he was always going to cop a few.

    i just wish he would have fought Witter instead - the Lazcano win won't do much for his legacy, having lost to Vivian Harris, but Witter as No.1 contender would.
     
  8. scurlaruntings

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    His prime was from the days that he started defending the WBU. NOTHING has changed from then or since. His style has always been the same and he will never be anything more than what he is which is an aggresive brawler with a high tempo. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about Witter wasnt it? :blood
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

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    The trouble with the WBU days was that some of the earlier names were actually half decent - but there was no improvement.

    As soon as he beat either Vince Phillips or Ben Tackie, he should have been pressed straight in, instead we had Stewart (who took a dive), Pedersen the punchbag and Vilches!
     
  10. TFFP

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    He probably would have got more credit if he hadn't got Tszyu so late in his career either, so it was a double **** up. But then he would have been at risk of losing, it was all carefully plotted.
     
  11. GazOC

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    Suffering a loss at 34 usually makes retirement a more likely option than a defeat at 29 does. Surely you are not going to argue with that?:roll:
     
  12. scurlaruntings

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    The Phillips fight was an indication of nothing. The man was 40 plus years old and STILL recovering from crack. As for the Tackie fight that was an educated gamble by FW that did pay off. Back then Tackie did have some credibility but he was very limited easy to hit and only possessed a granite chin. Other than that he was a gatekeeper.
     
  13. scurlaruntings

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    Thats an extremely feable and lame argument. Bearing in mind the type of career Witter has had do you honestly believe his an old 34? Geez:roll:
     
  14. Beeston Brawler

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    I agree that is pretty lame.

    Witter hasn't exactly been in any wars, unlike a certain Mr Hatton.
     
  15. GazOC

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    Read back through the thread. The jist is that Witter is more likely to retire after the Bradley loss than Hatton was after the Mayweather loss and thats due to age. Fair comment I think, I'm not saying he should retire just that losing a title at 34 its a lot more likely than losing one at 29. Physical condition is just one aspect, he may just not have the motivation to fight is way to a title again at that age.

    Hasn't he Emailed you with his plans yet Scura?