Just a bad night at the Office or He Just Got it Damn Wrong

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Mandanda, Feb 23, 2010.


  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    I dislike Leonard, but look at boxing objectively.

    That was not the Hagler that had destroyed everyone in his years as champ.

    That was not even peak Leonard to be fair, but for the gameplan he implemented both fighters were at the right place for Leonard to snatch the title.

    But thanks for the heads up on the book pal:good
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Leonard is a ****, end of story.
     
  3. Harry Chibber

    Harry Chibber Active Member Full Member

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    Macc vs Haye.... was absolutely convinced Enzo was going to take Haye to pieces
     
  4. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    Good read though, as you say, caution should be advised due to the biased nature of the author.

    I hear this arguement quite often, that Leonard simply waited until he knew he could beat Hagler. Maybe its true but he'd been out for nearly three years and had had 1 fight in 5 years. Are we expected to believe that he simply kept himself in fighting condition for 5 years JUST to beat Hagler?

    Yes he ****ed Hagler around with stupid PR moments/stunts like his "retirement" conference but was a victory over Hagler the thing he wanted more than anything else?
     
  5. Flea Man

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    I believe so, yes.
     
  6. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was gonna say this one as well.

    Although I am very much a Haye fan I thought that Enzo was gonna win this one.

    I still think it was a 50 50 fight at the time but Enzo really didn't comit to the fight and his tactics went out the window from the first bell.

    He also should have taken a knee the first time he got hurt.
     
  7. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Seconded. When I saw Enzo sprint to the ring though I began to have my doubts about his mind state. I think Enzo defeated himself that night.
     
  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    All of Jermain Taylor's losses :deal
     
  9. Harry Chibber

    Harry Chibber Active Member Full Member

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    guarenteed, he let the hype get to him while Haye revelled in it.

    What was worse was when I was describing to my mates (who know next to nothing about boxing) how much of a beating Haye was going to take throughout the whole build up only to look like a complete muppet on fight night.

    Still got love for Enzo though
     
  10. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    :deal Definitly!!

    ENNNNZOOOOO!!
     
  11. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Darchinyian vs Agbeko springs to mind. Vic was on a roll and stepped up to meet Agbeko for the IBF Bantamweight Title. He fought completely the wrong fight trying to land the single peach shot but he was never going to knock King Kong out like that guys to tough and smart enough to know better then to be hit by loaded up bombs.

    If Vic utilized his speed of foot and hand and placed combination's he could of befuddled Agebko and won late on by way of stoppage or wide points win. This fight really frustrates me to this day...Vic had the tools to win and messed it up because he's so damn cocky...but i can't moan to much...his belief is entertaining.
     
  12. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    looking back on it enzo prolly wouldnt of won but i think i preffered him just becuase he was more of an inside fighter who had the body work and could wack just as hard (thats not controversial opnion is it?). you look at the fragomeni fight and the thompson fight it was the pressure to hayes low gunslinger defence which made him look susceptable.
    also enzo's trench war with mark hobson made me think that he could take punishment more than people where expecting

    haye just too fast and compact. when enzo did that 1,1,2 (haye lands heavy counter right hook),3. you could see it wasnt gonna turn out well.
     
  13. GazOC

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    "Sorcery...." is a potentially good book spoiled by the writers bias. The facts being Leonard-Hagler are such that he could have made his points without resorting to the lies and half-truths with made him look like such an biased, and therefore unreliable IMHO, source.
     
  14. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I dunno if this is being harsh but i'm going to go for Steve Cunningham vs Tomasz Adamek.

    Maybe i'm wrong but i think he had all the ability to box that night but went in there and traded and went to war with a beast in Adamek. Great fight and one i love to see again but U.S.S really could of made the fight easier on himself if he used his tools. When he worked the jab he was doing great...dunno why fighter's neglect the jab so much especially when you got a hurtful tool like he has. Pride can be a terrible thing at times in boxing.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpjgrJnlXS0[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgkwGNPMAe4&feature=related[/ame]

    follow on to view whole fight
     
  15. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Suppose we could put the long line of Heavyweight Chumps who have just gone over to Germany to fight the Klits or Valuev and done absolutely nothing to win. Sometimes i wonder if we spend more time thinking of tactics then there trainers and themselves.