Just because JMM gave Pacquiao hell, it doesn't mean Floyd will

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  1. TheBling

    TheBling Active Member Full Member

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    In my opinion, this is such a common misconception by the joyboys.

    It wasn't hard to tell that counter punchers gave Pacquiao fits pre-WW, which is why it's only natural for the joyboys to assume that Floyd, who is the consummate counter puncher and without a doubt much more talented and physically gifted than JMM, is going to do even better in a completely dominant fashion. I really don't think that is the case.

    I say this because granted JMM and Floyd are arguably the best counter punching oriented fighters today, they do so in a very different manner. JMM gave Pacquiao hell because he counters with a flurry combinations at the right distance. I think that is the key to keeping Pacquiao at bay, and Morales stated the same thing when he beat Pac. Floyd does not do this. He finds his spot, and either times you with a laser beam before you even throw a punch, or a one-two counter at most if you missed, and either clenches or moves away. Rinse, repeat. It has been very effective in his recent fights.

    But I honestly don't think this will work on Pac. Floyd cannot potshot his way to a wide UD victory. Pac's punch output is going to be too high and he will never tire. He will be there all fight. I also don't think Pacquiao is going to let Floyd get too far away from him and set up, and he has the tools to do so, because Manny's footwork gives him so much range in the ring. He WILL be able to follow Floyd around.

    Pac is going to be Pac. He is what he is -- A well oiled offensive machine. Not to mention, he is leaps and bounds a better fighter than he was when he fought JMM. Just throw that concept out the window. This fight is going to boil down to whether Floyd can make the adjustments because potshotting and one punch counters is not going to win this fight for him. Floyd does not have the single hit power to KO Pac. Pac's been eating 8oz Cleto Reyes blows from the strongest WWs for breakfast, it doesn't matter if Pac sees Floyd's fluffy Grant gloves coming or not, it is not going to knock him out. You are seriously delusional if you think Pac is getting KO'd by a single shot from Floyd.

    If there's anyone that can make the adjustments to beat Pac, it is Floyd. And I still think Floyd is going to win a VERY VERY close decision. Even though Floyd doesn't throw combos, he is going to find a compromise with both styles and use his timing and talent to compensate. Don't be surprised with Pac winning the first 4 rounds, then Floyd coming back to edge out a squeaker after making the right adjustments.

    .....Either that or Pac is just unstoppable and Floyd can't do anything about it :nut That is why this fight is so compelling. It's so hard to tell what is going to happen.

    Floyd knows he has a very large chance of losing, that is why he is stalling. YES, HE IS STALLING GET OVER IT. But he knows he has to fight Pac and hopefully he will. I thought after the DLH fight, Pac only stood a 25/75 chance to win, but each time he fights, it keeps increasing for me. He is just an animal. At this point, with Pac being almost unstoppable and Floyd's age/inactivity by 2011, it's 45/55. Almost a pick'em fight. Floyd knows this. So should you joyboys.

    If you plan on turning this into a Pac vs Floyd nuthuggers thread, please don't bother posting. I am open to any rebuttal boxing strategy related. It's ok to flat out disagree with me, but please don't include pissing contest talks of PEDs, Drug testing, PPV numbers, etc etc etc and just start your own thread.
     
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  2. nubianprince

    nubianprince Active Member Full Member

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    blah blah blah..... tired of these useless threads taking nobody nowhere.
     
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  3. zicas

    zicas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed.

    There is no Pac throws 100+ punches per round against Floyd, not when he's eating counter right hands and walking into fast hits he doesn't see coming.


    In the end, I also expect a close fight, Floyd SD!
    :good
     
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  4. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    yop definitely a common misconception....the only thing Marquez and Floyd have in common is that they are excellent counter punchers...that is all.

    Other than that....Floyd is heads and shoulder above Marquez in every aspect of the game......take what you want from that.
     
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  5. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Floyd can throw combinations if he wants to:

    Against Corley:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WF299XH1w4#t=0m50s

    Against Judah:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo#t=3m52

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo#t=4m16s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo#t=4m36s

    Here's Floyd opening up a cut on Hatton's face with a 4 punch combo:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imWvM3XPleg#t=9m47s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo#t=6m50s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-m3EVllpeY#t=3m00s

    Against Mosley:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7i87WW-L0#t=1m44s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo#t=7m09s

    Floyd always throws some 2 or 3 hit combos in every fight. You don't need to throw as many punches in a combo when your timing and accuracy is that great. Besides, it's not like Marquez was throwing super long combos.
     
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  6. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indeed, now I just wanna have the ****ing fight made and let people see for themselves. All ****ing speculations are useless now the fight is so far away from the scope!! It's always the same repetitive bullcrap
     
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  7. GOW7

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    It's funny to me how people discredit Floyd's offense. Manny this last Saturday landed 400 out of 1000 on a guy with NO DEFENSE OR ANY MOVEMENT OTHER THAN WALKING FORWARD. Thats 40 %. Imagine a moving target that no doubt has the best defense bar none this era.Best counter puncher bar none this era. Most accurate puncher since compubox punchstats was created. If Floyd played Rockem Sockem with Pacquiao like Margo and everyone else has then yes,Floyd gets killed. But Floyd plays hit and not get hit. Been mastering it for years. The KO is Manny's only chance. My point is to the TS that Manny's punchstats will look alien to his last 5 or 6 fights. No resemblence at all if he fights Floyd.
     
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  8. Doc

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    yup thats the main reason i go with mayweather for a win... he can get 200+ punches a round on people with no defense...

    stick a defensive person and he wont get 100 floyd will hit him and move out over and over
     
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  9. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    emmanuel doesn't even have that choice. emmanuel builds up for a KO through accumulation, and Floyd's defense is too great for him to take a lot of punishment. Floyd has already dealt with harder hitters like Oscar and Mosley. emmanuel landed 300 moar punches on marg than Mosley did, but he didn't have the power to stop marg.
     
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  10. cilldara11

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    Good points regarding the whole ''Marquez could do it, Floyd will do it better'' argument.

    It was good Marquez combinations that kept Pacquaio back.

    I think it'll be a fairly disputable decision one way or the other. Floyd with cleaner shots, Pac with greater output.

    SD/MD one way or the other.
     
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  11. D50

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    You are certifiably insane.
     
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  12. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Margo defence is so ****ing bad, he would be ****ing insulted when Pac missed his ugly mug :lol:
     
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  13. MAIN

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    weight differences leon...if tony was 148 he wouldve went down in 3/4....tony weighted a lot "moar" than emmaunel
     
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  14. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    You think Manny has NO CHANCE of a KO? Really?
     
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  15. MAIN

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    lmao......“Marquez? He’s got balls, he’s got heart. [He’s] stupid enough to think he can beat Manny. So that’s a great fight.”

    -Ariza
     
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