Just because JMM gave Pacquiao hell, it doesn't mean Floyd will

MAIN · Nov 15, 2010

**** drinker don't deserve ish, he wants manny, manny don't need him, so he needs to fight manny on mannys terms, if manny says drink buboy's ****, marquez better grab a cup

Starched Him · Nov 15, 2010

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In my opinion, this is such a common misconception by the joyboys.

It wasn't hard to tell that counter punchers gave Pacquiao fits pre-WW, which is why it's only natural for the joyboys to assume that Floyd, who is the consummate counter puncher and without a doubt much more talented and physically gifted than JMM, is going to do even better in a completely dominant fashion. I really don't think that is the case.

I say this because granted JMM and Floyd are arguably the best counter punching oriented fighters today, they do so in a very different manner. JMM gave Pacquiao hell because he counters with a flurry combinations at the right distance. I think that is the key to keeping Pacquiao at bay, and Morales stated the same thing when he beat Pac. Floyd does not do this. He finds his spot, and either times you with a laser beam before you even throw a punch, or a one-two counter at most if you missed, and either clenches or moves away. Rinse, repeat. It has been very effective in his recent fights.

But I honestly don't think this will work on Pac. Floyd cannot potshot his way to a wide UD victory. Pac's punch output is going to be too high and he will never tire. He will be there all fight. I also don't think Pacquiao is going to let Floyd get too far away from him and set up, and he has the tools to do so, because Manny's footwork gives him so much range in the ring. He WILL be able to follow Floyd around.

Pac is going to be Pac. He is what he is -- A well oiled offensive machine. Not to mention, he is leaps and bounds a better fighter than he was when he fought JMM. Just throw that concept out the window. This fight is going to boil down to whether Floyd can make the adjustments because potshotting and one punch counters is not going to win this fight for him. Floyd does not have the single hit power to KO Pac. Pac's been eating 8oz Cleto Reyes blows from the strongest WWs for breakfast, it doesn't matter if Pac sees Floyd's fluffy Grant gloves coming or not, it is not going to knock him out. You are seriously delusional if you think Pac is getting KO'd by a single shot from Floyd.

If there's anyone that can make the adjustments to beat Pac, it is Floyd. And I still think Floyd is going to win a VERY VERY close decision. Even though Floyd doesn't throw combos, he is going to find a compromise with both styles and use his timing and talent to compensate. Don't be surprised with Pac winning the first 4 rounds, then Floyd coming back to edge out a squeaker after making the right adjustments.

.....Either that or Pac is just unstoppable and Floyd can't do anything about it :nut That is why this fight is so compelling. It's so hard to tell what is going to happen.

Floyd knows he has a very large chance of losing, that is why he is stalling. YES, HE IS STALLING GET OVER IT. But he knows he has to fight Pac and hopefully he will. I thought after the DLH fight, Pac only stood a 25/75 chance to win, but each time he fights, it keeps increasing for me. He is just an animal. At this point, with Pac being almost unstoppable and Floyd's age/inactivity by 2011, it's 45/55. Almost a pick'em fight. Floyd knows this. So should you joyboys.

If you plan on turning this into a Pac vs Floyd nuthuggers thread, please don't bother posting. I am open to any rebuttal boxing strategy related. It's ok to flat out disagree with me, but please don't include pissing contest talks of PEDs, Drug testing, PPV numbers, etc etc etc and just start your own thread.
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I think the rest of the world would look as dumb as *******s thinking the blue print to beat pac is in the jmm fight because pac is a diffrent fighter now.
Bout as dumb as everybody getting in the ring with there castillo impression against mayweather

StreetsofRAGE · Nov 15, 2010

I don't agree with your assessment and I don't think your argument brings anything new to the table. It's definitely gonna take a great counter puncher with perfect footwork and good defense to beat Pac... Floyd brings all that **** to the table in spades and other intangibles like ring superior ring IQ. It will be a close fight and if both guys bring their A game I think Floyd wins a judges decision.

Bogotazo · Nov 15, 2010

I don't think Pacquiao has changed all that much since the second Marquez fight, he's just gotten tighter in the areas he was complete in by then. It just became more apparent afterward because of his opposition's condition and styles (not to discredit him.) That being said, I think Floyd can throw combinations when he wants to, but his output won't be consistent enough to stop Pacquiao. Marquez not only threw combinations but closed the distance with forwarding foot work after hurting him. This is not something Mayweather can do risk-free. A hurt Pacquiao is more than willing to throw five sharp shots back. His reach might be able to keep him at bay for a while with long-range straight shots, but Pac's defensive angles give him as much an edge as his offensive angles and he is quick enough to counter Mayweather's pretty predictable counters.

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