Just curious, If Wilder is afraid of Joshua, why did…

I wouldn't call a 12.5 mil offer a ridiculous low ball offer, really... But hey!

Look, an offer was made to donkey and no counter offer was offered.. You know, like how negotiations go.. You send an offer, the other party pops a counter offer... Nothing new there.

But instead donkeys team do nothing and all of a sudden, out of the blue donkey gets all silly and starts chucking stupid offers at folk via email..

Its all a bit silly from Wilder's team, to put it mildly...

Wilder and his team are a farce of an operation tbf!

 

Agree to the deal! What deal? The deal!

 

Neither is afraid of the other, they're just playing games to build interest.

The offers we have had so far are:

1) A $12.5 million flat fee for Wilder. It's not the worst place to start negotiating from, but clearly his team are not going to take that.

2) A $50 million / 50% offer for Joshua. Now if legitimate this is a reasonable offer, but so far no contract has been sent which makes it valueless.

Neither side want the fight to be made next, hence the lack of reasonable, legitimate offers. The fight makes more money later on. But they want to con the public into thinking the other is ducking.

 

It was a first offer.. An opening offer, to start negotiations..

Where was the counter and further negotiations? you know.. A meeting was arranged.... And cancelled.

If wilders team had any sense at all and want the fight as bad as they say..

Donkey should have went to Cardiff.
A response and negotiations would have moved forward from the initial offer..
The meeting would have gone ahead no probs if it was indeed wanted..
But team wilder never acted, donkey just sat at a keyboard and chatted crap.. that speaks volumes and all we need to know about the situation, really.

It's a shambles of a team are team wilder, fair play. You couldn't make it up.. Oh, wait.. They did and do!

Lol

 

This

 

I think both Boxers want the fight but both management teams want the fight at a later date and thats why we have such a confusing situation as everyone looks to be on their own agenda. Both Boxers want the fight but also want to come accross as A side and both management teams want to be the team in control. Also Joshua will be reacting to how Childish Wilder has acted and likewise Wilders management will be reacting to how Childish Hearns has been, when you call people names too much they remember lol

 

The truth is Hearn doesnt really want the fight and nor does Wilder's team.

They have both calculated that they would rather not face the risk of a loss which leads to irrelevance.

Wilder has a history of avoiding the best. Hearn will protect his cash cow, and he knows that Wilders bladdering power would switch AJ lights out. A UD loss against Tyson Fury would be less devastating.

 

If this is not all an agreed sham then this is my reading of the respective offers:

Hearns $12.5m flat fee offer exploited the gulf between the respective fighters commercial pull. Rather than going straight to a debate about percentages, a debate that Wilder's team had sought to pre-empt with their initial 50/50 and then 'compromise ' 60/40 reversed in second match, Hearn shifted attention to the real inequality and between AJ and Wilder.

The flat fee could rightly be expressed as 5-6 times Wilder's best purse. The man in street (at who much of this is aimed) could understand this as being a good deal for Wilder. In reality it wouldn't be likely to be accepted, but it did change the discussopm to if Wilder could even reasonably command a percentage, let alone 40. Hearn estimated his offer being between 25 and 35% depending on how the fight went, these are more realistic numbers that may get the fight signed. So it served its purpose as a starting point.

In subsequent negotiations Hearn could concede the principle of a share in up/downside, but at a lower percentage reflecting the gulf between the fighters. Saying to wilder, either take the risk and share in the upside, or take the flat fee at what would work out as a higher percentage if the fight undersells.

The Wilder side offer sought to seize the initiative and stop being reactive. They couldn't respond to Hearns offer because they want to preserve the image of being set on unification and they're trying to portray their man as being on a comparable level commercially to AJ when he's patently not. They had a week of Hearn kicking them on social media. They seized on the 50m quote as a way to strike back. The pre-publication in the media, 24 hours deadline and abandonment of the meeting tell you what you need to know about how serious this offer was. Put simply, business isn't conducted that way.

Could they have backed it up? Yes... but... , because as Hearn says, the devil is in the detail. The way they structured it Hearn couldn't agree to their ultimatum so they would never have to explore further. If they had it would've been a gamble, but probably a calculated one as the 'no rematch' allied with the undisputed status and free reign on where to source the money and site the fight could've allowed them to get a bidding war going. In effect doing what Hearn had previously signalled with his 'I could promote Beyonce' analogy. They could've done it, but given their behaviour likely had no intention of doing so. It just got them out of a sticky situation with a narrative that would play well with their fans.

So two offers which were both unlikely to result in a deal but either of which could, (but especially the first one which we know was costed) given goodwill and honest intentions on both sides serve as the basis for an eventual deal. Both those qualities are in short supply so we won't see the fight.

 

Its one of those situations where we can look at it from all the angles and go around in circles for ages blaming one side then the other, the only truth we know for sure is that it is us the fans that are being played for fools as they expect us to dance to their tune and lap up everything they all say