Just finished Hagler-Duran...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Jorodz, Feb 15, 2011.


  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    ...for the first time. I purposely didn't score it so I could just have it on in the background and enjoy it. Three things jump to my mind:

    1)It was CLOSE. I've read various reports on this fight and many feel that it was a clear win for Hagler...this fight is many things but not clear. There were about 6-8 of the middle/late rounds that were exceptionally hard to score.

    2)Duran was brilliant. Pure and simple, he was completely brilliant. He lost but this is one of the best performances I've seen of Duran because he took on a monster of a middleweight (one of the all time best) in his prime and outboxed and outfought him for stretches

    3)The commentators were so ****ing biased. I get it: you like and respect Hagler. They were always overcompensating for the crowd screaming for Duran with every punch by diminishing his performance and accomplishment. They undermined his counters and though Hagler's combinations were outstanding, they decided that his punches were the only effective ones in that fight.

    Just my thoughts anyway
     
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Hagler won, but it was close for sure. Hagler shouldn't have been so tentative with Duran. I wonder if he should have come out the gates roaring like with Hearns?
     
  3. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    totally agree. think it was round 6 that he started looking like hagler: marching forward, staying balanced, unloading beautiful combinations up and down the ladder, looking confident and making every shot count. if he had done that for ALL the first 6, i'm not sure duran makes it to 10
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Definitely a case of respecting your opposition too much. Maybe we're wrong about that, though.
     
  5. JoeLaTurkey

    JoeLaTurkey Active Member Full Member

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    He made the same mistake with Leonard. Didn't unleash the monster until it was too late.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fight was competitive, but in terms of rendering a scorecard, it was not close at all. IMO Hagler was clearly edging most rounds.
     
  7. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    it's tough for me. duran always looked worst and more tired at the end of the rounds, but duran got a ton of great work done during the rounds and hagler was just too hesistant to take some of them. i could see an argument for giving duran 7 rounds
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler was definitely hesitant, and as the bigger, stronger man he shouldn't have been, but at the same time, if you look at what Duran was doing, wasn't he hesitant too? I definitely thought it was Hagler initiating most of the action. He threw and landed more quite clearly imo.

    It's one thing to critique Hagler's performance compared to a standard Hagler performance, it's another thing to critique him compared to his opponent's performance. Whilst he didn't do so good on the former criterion, he did quite well on the latter.

    Personally I could probably see justification in a 9-6 kind of card, but anything more than that is pushing it.

    My card for the fight, for what it's worth:

    Marvin Hagler vs. Roberto Duran: 146-140 Hagler
    Duran: 3,4,11 and 12.
    Hagler:1,2,5,6,7,8,9,13,14 and 15.
    Round 10 even.
     
  9. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    good and fair card:good i thought duran's generalship completely befuddled hagler at times. hands of stone was attempting to lay traps and stayed away from brawling in the middle rounds. when he poped in, threw crisp punches and bounced out, hagler had no answers. that right hand of his was very strategically used and he worked that cut like a master. the fact though is, the crispest and best punchers were hagler's but i definitely feel the fight was dictated by what duran did, what he chose not to do and what he forced hagler to do
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hear what you're saying, and I do agree, even though Duran didn't win the fight, he showed that all other things being equal he would have been the better fighter. If Duran was a natural middleweight and not physically inferior in almost every way, there's no doubt he would have got the better of Hagler. He basically made it a competitive fight just through his boxing nous.
     
  11. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    I had Hagler ahead 4 points. It was hardly close.
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    exactly! totally agree and that's what i'm thinking to. frankly, hagler looked like a novice at times (and this was a peak hagler). still, i couldn't make a compelling that duran won, just that he did way better than he should have
     
  13. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    9-5-1? if so, that's fair enough
     
  14. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Great fight that I might score too. I'm not sure it was close but Duran was competitive. I actually thought Hagler fought well too and just chose to box instead of slug it out but I do admit that he showed respect to Duran but who doesn't? We love him. I liked Hagler-Duran more than I did Hagler-Hearns TBH. I liked the skill involved between two technicians in Duran & Hagler. Hagler didn't beat him with size, he beat him with skill.
     
  15. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    yep that's exactly how I had it Duran took some of those rounds with his right hands