Just for guys who could not make it in boxing

Larry Holmes would have used his Holmes' Hammer to jab an MMA guy to death!

 

bum shoots for the legs....holmes' jab is rendered useless.

 

Are we entering a stage of Argumentum ad nauseam here cdnboxing ?
Anyway , You say:

Someone who's way more experienced than Kimbo. (Which proves my point. That didn't stop Mercer from beating him one year after his 30 sec loss vs Kimbo).
You say:

I know, i never said the contrary. But that's not a valid excuse. And if it is , how do you explain him , getting owned in less than 30 seconds by an absolute bum , then later winning his other fights against more experienced fighters ? I'll tell you how...That's because he fought these guys under boxing rules.

Like i said before in my previous response:

You say:

Read it again then , maybe you'll start believing..

Seems logical enough to me. Let me ask you , a +250 lbs bum who can't punch for **** starts looking for trouble. What do you do ? box ? let's then say he grabs you, forces you to go on the ground & puts all his weight on you...what then ? You can have all the boxing experience in the world if you're not strong enough to push him off of you , there's not much you will be able to do and your "sweet science" will be useless.
Just ask Mercer. Admitedly though ,i'm cherry picking here.
Just like you are , when you say:

(when speaking of Hunt)
Speaking of which... You say:

I don't consider him to be a serious example of what you'd call a "failed" boxer.
It's not like he really gave it a try. Is that the best you can do ? Cherry picking Hunt's case ? With a record like this ?
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=58555&cat=boxer
You'd have a point if this:
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=5316&cat=boxer
Would be Hunt's boxing record. (at least he tried , he persisted)
Hunt's case is not a serious one sorry.
it's like saying , Michael McDonald , the failed mixed martial artist.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/michael-mcdonald-9941
Hunt's example is just as irrelevant as Mcdonald's is for mma.

Same goes for Ray Sefo.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=032491&cat=boxer
He was koed once by a nobody & he never presisted ever again after that. Not to mention
it took him +5 years to make a "come back" (from 1996 to 2001).
But if you insist , then we can also say that Sefo is failure at everything isn't he ?
After all , that's his K1 record isn't it ?
http://www.k-1sport.de/en/database/show_fighter.php?id=26
21 ****in' losses ...& 30 wins.
But , that wouldn't be very fair considering the fact that kickboxing is too different from boxing , it's not as easy to pad a record.

 

Riiiiight...
On the other hand , let's play your game and reverse the situation for a moment.
Let's pic a guy who's got both serious boxing and kickboxing records.
Skelton: 10 wins 7 losses under K1
http://www.k-1sport.de/en/database/show_fighter.php?id=542
&
22 wins & 3 losses (in boxing)
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=141021&cat=boxer

THERE , you have a legit case. We're not talking about a Mark Hunt type boxing record.
Here we have a guy who fought more than 10 times in both sports.
And only once in MMA
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Matt-Skelton-3156
Skelton aka the "failed mixmartial artist" haha...see how stupid that is ?

His mma record is as irrelevant as Hunt's boxing record. On the other hand , he's got serious experience in both kickboxing & boxing.

 

His boxing had little to do with it actually. (that's specifically why i selected Jeremy Williams "the boxer" , with a 5-0 record.) You just don't get it do you ? A boxer who lands knees , wrestles , goes to the ground & even submits. He achieved "something" mainly because he had to adapt.

He was forced to , because "boxing only" can't save your ass in this sport. (then again , his record is nothing special either. at least not yet). One last detail , i still had to mention judo because ever since he decided to give mma a try , he & his trainer were putting emphasis on judo & wrestling in particular.

They do. Well obviously in mma , an inexperienced kickboxer will struggle a lot , but they do have a slightly better advantage when compared to a mere boxer.

They already use their knees , low , mid & high kicks. A boxer only has his hands.
Which reminds me , Jeremy Williams also had to train muay-thai. (just basics)

 

You know what... YOU WIN.

I'm seriously tired of this conversation so i'm not gonna bother responding to every single one of your points...
Respond back if you want , but i'm done here.
To conclude my message , i'm just gonna repost the most important point i wanted to make:

When you said:

I was right all along. And you were wrong. That's all that matters.

Because he truely has no understanding of MMA.

and if he does, then how do you explain this:

You can't agree with this ....right ? And if you do , why are you here ? why do you even bother watching this sport in the first place ? You're a fan of both right ?

Anyway , gotta go. i'll read your response but i won't respond back next time. Everything i had to say on this issue has alrd been said. Nice talking to you. Take care.

 

I think it's funny that boxingcar actually takes time to argue this. It's amazing. No offense boxingcar.

 

boxing car this guy has been taking the ****, you should realise a lot of ****s come on here just to stir up **** and you bit man

 

And now cdnboxing logs on and posts a 3 page response, which, much like boxingcars response will be long, boring and utterly pointless, but for some reason I keep reading?! lol

 

Basically, it comes down to this.

If you don't got skill for any other sports, you got no punch, and you're ascared to get hit and like to rub up with some dudes with their shirts off, MMA is for you.

And if you got a punch, you'll be champ easily.

 

Ray Mercer fought an experienced boxer. Doesnt mean the guy he fought is any good. And hes not good.

Boxers arent limited to their skillset. They are allowed to branch out of that skillset and a bum attempting a takedown, if he can even GET INSIDE to do so against a skilled boxer would not be able to take the boxer down without a fight. A bum can just as easily KO a top-tier MMA fighter with a flurry of punches rendering their grappling useless.

And in an MMA setting, how would you explain the Benji Radach/Danny Lafever fight? Lafever was just a recreational boxer with absolutely no background and he KO'd Radach who was a 14-1-1 MMA'er.

The problem with your argument is its completely speculative. And it probably shouldnt even be discussed because their is no logic behind it. Not to mention the guy who took Mercer down had been training with Bas Rutten prior to that bout and is far more athletic than a 47 year old Mercer who SHOULD NOT BE FIGHTING.

And YES, Hunt is a can. You just dont lose and draw to those types of fighters and not be a can. For you to argue otherwise is just absurd.

Ray Sefo in K-1 fought the best, in boxing he fought some scrub and got sparked in 1 minute. Sefo is another can. And K-1 is a joke, a criminally run organization.

 

Ugh god, i'll respond to this later today. I'm going out for a bit.

 

BJ penn is a joke. PBF is the king of boxing and every MMA fighter know who he is. cause of his ****ing wicked skills and being the pound for pound king. He has more money than dani white lol hahahahahahahahah

 

What you dont get is boxers arent limited to their skillset and its not difficult to adapt especially against the fighters williams fought. You say he emphasized judo and wrestling I say he got taken down against mediocre fighters.

Williams didnt HAVE to train Muay Thai and it certainly wouldnt have been needed against opponents of that calibre. The 3 MMA fights ive seen of his he didnt attempt one single kick and mixed in some knees. Let me guess though, you think that if someone attempts knees they must have been training in Muay Thai? Thats just ridiculous.

Let me guess the slam he did on Ron Fields must show he learned some wrestling along the way? You dont need wrestling to perform slams like that. That was instinct. And he won those fights not because he "adapted" but rather because hes simply better and more athletic against the opposition he faced.

 

I see cdnboxing just waits for his turn to talk