Just for guys who could not make it in boxing

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Metal Man, May 29, 2009.


  1. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Torres RNC Bigshow Rd1
     
  2. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    I just like how the haters think PBF is great because he has more money then everybody else. I don't understand what money has to do with anything when the cage closes. I seriously think Mayweather is a turd and would never, even if it was for a billion dollars ,step into the cage and fight even a b level fighter. He is so cocky and arrogant that if he did he'd probably get killed because he thinks MMA fighters are such garbage.
     
  3. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    damn ! i just can't resist...I said that i wouldn't respond back, but I HAVE TO lol

    Here's a funny fact for ya.
    This guy
    http://www.k-1sport.de/en/database/show_fighter.php?id=75
    Koed Vitali Klitschko out cold.

    And look closer at his record. That's right...Sefo "the can" owned his ass ,under K1 rules no less. what does that tell about Vitali uh ?
    I already know the countless excuses you're gonna come up with. Don't bother.

    See above.

    Not to mention , both are totally different sports. You don't actually give a **** about what i'm saying do you ? You're just here to win an argument via ad nauseam right ?

    You also have a bad habit of ignoring certain points i'm making.

    You ignored this part on purpose.
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4226960&postcount=96

    And of course , you still haven't responded to this:
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4226977&postcount=98

    SO , cdnboxing. Do you agree with Metal Man ?
    I've asked you the same question twice already , are you gonna ignore it a third time ?
    Because frankly that's what it all boils down to. Do you agree with such idiocy ?
     
  4. Metal Man

    Metal Man Active Member Full Member

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    Just ignore Boxingcar,he dosnt have a clue what hes taliking about and goes into abstract **** mode to try and explain his points and he calls me an ignorant ****.

    The boxing and MMA comparison is a legit one as their competing for the same target demographics,Dana White and company have drawed on the competition putting boxing down a number of times so its fair to compare the level of the 2 sports and as fans good arguments for the sake of arguments sake can be put forward on both sides.

    MMA is full of guys who are the jack of all trades and masters of none.For that reason Floyd,Vlad et al are leagues above what the UFC serve up on their average PPV cards as their the elite of their respective disciplines.Truly world class operators.An example of what im talking about would be Rich Franklin,Rashad Evans,Bisping or Matt Hamill.These guys are neither world class wrestlers or top class strikers but reasonably athletic guys who have thrown it all together and become proficient in all the ranges of MMA while exceling in none and its painfully obvious when watching a typical UFC CARD that this is the case.Many of the fights are tbh poor from a technical standpoint.Theirs 2 many of these types of guys in MMA..Evans for instance wrestled at a division 1 college but as far as i know he never even garnered all american status let alone wrestled internationally.The same for Sean sherk.Bouvasior Satiev,A Taymazov and Cael Sanderson are names you would refer to when taliking about world class wrestling not the college level you see in much of MMA and these guys aswell as the elite athletes in the world of Judo K1 and other combat sports are still not competing in MMA in large enough numbers as their paid very well by their respective sports associations in their own countrys and live for the major championships,grand prix events and the Olympics. They are not going to give up that prestige to compete in front of booing guys with ginger beards.World class boxing is on a whole other level for this reason and thats the point i was making when stating that the best guy in or around Moneys weight class in MMA couldnt carry his jockstrap.MMA guys generally [though their are exceptions like FEdor] for the most part the Decathletes of combat sport.Money,Vlad,Pavlik and Pac are the 100 and 200 metre specialists ,the prime operators who garner the bread.

    Boxingcar,you use abstract bull**** to dismiss Floyd as only a boxer and not a fighter.You did that because you altered an earlier post i made. OK in your own mind Mayweater despite his skills probably dosnt invoke images of size,power and intensity but would you dismiss Dempsey,Marciano,Foreman,Tyson,Lewis and Vitali as fighters aswell.
     
  5. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    He would whup you and your highschool coaches ass before ya'll even got close enough to try to mount him in a homosexual position.
     
  6. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Abstract ? ABSTRACT ? Do you even know what that word ****ing means ? What's so abstract about my responses ? It tells more about your intellect than anything else really..

    Cause that's what he is isn't he ? A fighter yes , but with one particular skill...the "sweet science". Call me back once the guy wins ADCC tournaments.
     
  7. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Btw i almost forgot cdnboxing...Remember that Klitschko / Sefo / Reid parallel i made ? Here's another one...

    Ever heard of Clinton Mitchell ? You say

    GUESS WHAT ?

    Check that can's record....
    http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1415&cat=boxer

    That nobody has a win over Bernard Hopkins...

    Is hopkins a ****ing can ? Of course he isn't. And he lost that one , right at the very beginning of his career. Just like Hunt , only difference , he persisted...Hunt didn't. He only had 2 fights.
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Why would Floyd want to take off his shirt and get in a homoerotic position with some hillbilly for some chump change?
     
  9. eltorrente

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    YES, top boxers are more proficient in their art than top MMAers are at their arts.

    They only have to focus on one thing - boxing. MMA guys have to train in both striking with fists, feet, and grappling. Of course PBF is far superior in striking with his fists than any MMA guy is - no doubt at all. PBF, Klit, Pac, etc, etc are at the top of their games, and there is a long history to competitive boxing.

    While Jiu-Jitsu, wrestling, Karate, etc have been around a long time, there is only a short history to "modern" MMA. The result is that not many guys, if any, are true "masters" of MMA - in terms of every single skill necessary to compete. Machida is probably the closest to the complete package.

    I LOVE boxing, but I also love MMA. The fact is that MMA comes closest to what you'd see in a real fight. The majority of fights end up going to the ground.

    Any MMA competitor would simply destroy Mayweather - no matter what weight he was. That takes nothing from Mayweather, since he's more of a master of his sport than MMAers are at theirs, but let's face it - he'd get crushed. There would be no so-called "gay hugging" or whatever going on if he met one of them in the ring - it would be them simply taking him down with ease, then sitting on top of him and pounding his face in until the ref pulled him off.

    To those that say Mayweather would be too fast to allow them to get a hold of them - that is just ignorant. How is it that some lame-ass like Ricky Hatton, or any other non-grappler can easily go into a clinch with any other boxer whenever they feel like it? The ref has to constantly pull them off to keep the fight going. The boxers that do that stuff aren't trained in take-downs or anything. Imagine a skilled wrestler/Jiu-Jitsu/Judo or whatever MMA guy shooting in with skill on him.. he'd be down so quickly, then they'd be on top of him pounding his head in. It would be hilarious, and kind of sad to see..

    This doesn't take anything away from the ability of PBF or any top boxer in their sport - but face it, that SPORT doesn't encompass real "fighting" nearly as closely as MMA does.

    You will NEVER EVER see a top boxer get into the ring with an MMA guy, no matter how much money they were offered. They KNOW they'd get crushed with ease, and would never put themselves in that situation to be humiliated.
     
  10. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    That's bull****.

    Lidell wasn't doin **** but some country sprawl, and layin mother ****ers out with wild ass haymakers.

    Basically, if you got a punch......you can dominate in MMA.
     
  11. brixtonbeat

    brixtonbeat Active Member Full Member

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    Excellent analogy. THE TRUTH :deal
     
  12. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    great post :good
     
  13. eltorrente

    eltorrente Active Member Full Member

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    Lidell is an excellent wrestler.

    Yes, he makes the sprawl look easy - maybe so easy that you think you, or anyone else, could simply sprawl and stay on your feet if a skilled Jiu-Jitsu practitioner or wrestler tried to take you down.

    Lidell is an interesting case since he loved to just KO people while standing, but always held his wrestling in reserve anytime he needed it. If he was going to step into the ring with someone like Hopkins or Haye or whoever - he wouldn't be stupid enough to try to stand there and throw his haymakers.. he's not an idiot. He'd shoot in and take them down, and there's NO WAY they could just try and do "some country sprawl" and stay on their feet. They'd go down just like any unskilled person would against a good grappler, and they'd be a fish out of water.
     
  14. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not. Because this analogy also insinuates that all mma participants are the Jack of All Trades, Masters of None...type of fighters. Which is again , FALSE.

    There's legit ex-gold , silver & bronze olympic medalist participants (in judo & wrestling) there's legit adcc & sambo champs too. In other words , guys who ALREADY have a specialty (like Floyd does for boxing). Only their specialties are mostly focused on grappling.

    And this further illustrates my previous point (about money , and why they're not "boxing rejects" )

    Obviously all , without exception are forced to adapt and learn new things. (such as striking or submissions) and that's why it's called mma.
     
  15. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :-( cant believe such an obvious troll thread gets 122 responses. get a ****ing grip guys