Just how bad was Haglar robbed if at all against SRL?

Sorry Magna my reading comprehension is not great here. I was saying because Marv had such a great chin, it was to some degree going to look like the punches Ray was landing were not as powerful as they would do on a lesser opponent. Or something in that direction anyway.

 

Thanks!

 

are you really asking that whoever wins the fight should get the decision :huh who the **** else should win the fight?!

 

There was definitely a deterioration there. If it was anyone else but Marv in the first half of the fight, most people wouldn't have a problem scoring for Ray. He looked very flat, his work just wasn't cohesive. At his best i think he would have just ground Ray down with strength, sharpness and educated pressure.

 

It's your way of thinking that causes a lot of these decisions.Champs or hyped prospects\higher profile contenders sitting on hometown decisiions because they know their opponent has to work three times as hard as them to get a win.

 

Educated pressure like that against Obelmejias? I agree. Leonard winning a few but holding on towards the end and giving up a 10-5 decision, remembering that perhaps Leonard would have also been a bit fresher back then, but Hagler was better than his 1987 incarnation in every way, by a long way.

 

Hagler was making Leonard miss just as much, though. Leonard looked to bait Marvin in and drill, however Marvin was blocking and slipping nearly all of those attacks. He also blocked and slipped nearly all of Leonard's counters.

Leonard was fighting smarter, but it was no more effective, and in my opinion, actually less effective than Marvin's aggression. In a fight inwhich both people cancelled the other's offence out, I'm going to give the fight to who got in more shots, and that man was Hagler that night.

I don't agree with the "You have to take the title from the champ" BS, and did not score the fight by those standards.

 

Marvelous was not robbed. Leonard robbed him of the title.

Leonard was an opportunist, but he still went in there, worked his plan, and took it from a slipping Hagler.

Sad night for those of us who appreciated Hagler's integrity to Leonard's showboating.

 

Yes, I believe that. Title fight or otherwise, it's very simple. Tally up your scorecards at the end of the 12 rounds and whoever comes out with the highest numbers wins the fight. Simples.

 

Utter crap. Thank god you're not a boxing judge.

Seriously, what the ****......

 

I just didn't feel that Marv fought particularly well that night, Ray wasn't lighting him up, and it wasn't anything dramatic but his work seemed of the more quality to me. Marv was just plodding and swinging for a fair amount of the fight.

I was always more of a Hagler fan than a Leonard fan, but his tactics were very very ****ing strange in this fight, as said especially tallied with the prefight talk, anything close after that point is going to be weighted in Ray's favor.

Prime for prime, it's Hagler's fight. Prime Ray would be better than this incarnation but prime Hagler would be a lot better than this incarnation, but that wasn't the fight that took place.

Agree, if you win more rounds you should win the fight.

 

Ya gotta take it frum da champ

Cuz da champ is da one wit da integrity, come up da hard way an represent evrthin good 'bout this sport

How you jus gon take a man's livelyhood away pinchin' points on da backfoot?How you look at yersel in the mirror after it, eh chump

 

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See, that's the strange thing with this clown; he says he doesn't buy our "old-timers talk" about it being a simple matter of adding up the scorecards at the end of the fight. HIS goofy-ass way is precisely what the old-timey timers would do, he's got it all completely backwards. It's a time-honored joke, and he gets it totally backward.

 

I would agree. Norris would have little trouble with either

 

i love the **** out of norris and if we're talking the 87 versions, i agree he could win