Just how bad was Haglar robbed if at all against SRL?

Ray had penty of chances when the fight counted. why not fight him while Marf can actually fight?

for instance, Ray was heard saying after the Hagler-Mugabi struggle "I can beat him!" and soon after made his announcement


Ray was at rinside doing commentary for Marv's fight going back to his first defense, second, third, 5th, 6th, 7th,

why not make the same bold proclamation then?

the same situation arose upon watching Marvin's poor showing in the Duran fight, saying it wasnt a maybe but he is defintely coming back

we all know the reason for his layoffs and his comebacks and how he chooses opponents. you got to look really shoddy - near finished is better, in a fight or you dont get a fight with Leonard

 

:good Too true, been arguing the same points for years, it's a boxing match governed by a long & established criteria, that said criteria is not to the liking of TV/PPv mogals.

What we have today is the rehashed romanesque bread & circus values for the paying mob. Aggression sells better than milling on the retreat. With the recent onset of PPV a whole new dynamic had to be put in place with regard too capturing the massive front room casual audiance who have no idea as to what the pugilisticic nous is all about.

Crash! Bang! Wallop! gets the mob baying for more, take wrestling as an example, to watch 2 pro's go at it is an incredble spectical of athleticism but proberbly resembles 2 eels trying to strangle each other to the casuals eyes. But Hulk Hogan & Co made plenty of $$$ with the WWF pantomime shows passed of as wrestling.

The Howard Lederman & That **** Al Bernstein have for me been the 2 main culprits these last 30 odd years in there attemps to bastadise the concept of what a boxing match actually should be. They've made up their own criteria juxposed with self promotion of there own agenda's with regard to career & corporate marketing policy.

There's been so many boxers over the years that have had to ammend their own natural defensive given styles in the hope that they will qualify for an invite to the HBO $$$ banquet.

There's one thing i always point out to my son when we sit & watch a fight from the 70' & early 80's. The FIGHT CROWD at ring side, yeh never heard booing during a 5 second lull like you do today. The crowd were intence, savoring every nuance & move albeit defensive or attack. Today, at live gates what we have in the main is what i term as boxing tourists who come to watch a scrap! Not a boxing match & there now lies the rub with regard to the modern implanted & digested conceptions opposed to what is actually really going on in the ring!

 

I believe Hagler won a SD, maybe just me thats what i think should of happened

 

Amen, man. Well said. Couldn't really add anything; Just really well said.

I wasn't EVER booed until recently. Just once, after a decision folks thought was bad. Can't tell you when, but the script flipped, and a jab and some defense became dirty.

 

Before I first watched the Hagler-Duran fight, I heard some people (the minority, but still some) claim Roberto deserved the nod. After I watched it, I had no idea what they were talking about because I felt it was a pretty clear Hagler win. Roberto was competitive, especially earlier on, but as the fight went on Hagler turned up the heat and outworked Roberto. He probably could've stopped him if he really pushed for it.

 

That has nothing to do with what I said

but if he felt that way all along, he wouldve taken the fight during one of Sugar's interviews w Hagler, 1982 (post fight Obel)

Hagler says straight up, "Leonard let's fight". Sugar doesnt have the nerve to look him in the face and wont answer. I know fear & intimidation when I see it

if he felt was going to win then why not just accept the fight then and there?

that's what I dont like about these Leonard fans. It's okay for their man to wait five yrs to take a fight, won't say anything about the kind of condition he got him in, then say "Leonard knew he was gonna win the fight",, "Sugar had Hagler fighting his fighting his fight by the 5th" and other moronic sayings repeated in the echo chamber

then they top off the insults by saying "It's all Hagler's fault for letting Leonard get his way. he wasnt good enough to do the job with his fists"

when it comes to backing away from fights, their plan is to keep mum about it and change the subject

 

The reality is that Hagler should have known that if SRL finished the fight on his feet (which nobody though possible) and made it competitive. That SRL would be the sentimental choice. Everybody loves the underdog,upset, ala Foreman/Moorer. Hagler by boxing way too carefully, let SRL in the fight, his confidence grew. And by the time Hagler woke up and started coming on, it was late in the fight. Seriously, a very close fight and a lot depends on what your looking for. You could make a case for 7-5 either way... Jo Jo Guerra definitely had his Ray Charles glasses on, Goody said he was a kook... SRL definitely had been watching Hagler,close over the years. And he picked the perfect time to go after him. He saw just enough slippage in the Mugabi fight, recognized that Hagler got tagged plenty in the fight. And figured that if Mugabi could put his hands on him that he had enough speed, savvy and finnesse to get to him as well... SRL fought the perfect fight,the only way he could win. Hagler picked the wrong time to not let the warrior in him rage ...I do feel a rematch, would have been a different story ...

 

Hagler was cocky. He went in there thinking he couldn't lose, probably spent the fight thinking "this guy's hitting me with cream-puff slaps ... oh look, he's running away again" expecting everyone on the other side of the ropes to share his contempt for Leonard's efforts.
He should have been fighting with the same urgency that he showed when Hearns had him cut.
When you look at the fight, after 12 rounds Leonard looks spent, Hagler looks quite fresh.
Hagler should have been bull charging him from the mid-rounds on, even if gets messy - but he was playing it cool, didn't want to be made to look awkward and silly, he was too cocky, thought he was the superior boxer.
I think he did enough to get the decision anway, but it was close.

 

I saw Hagler winning that fight no matter how many times I watch it.

 

Leonard put up a supreme effort, and won a close fight on a small majority of cards. Hagler made some mistakes, but did himself no dishonor in his loss, and even did enough to cast the result in doubt.

I feel that answers the original question: He wasn't robbed, the right man won to 51% of scorers, and if Hagler was robbed at all, he robbed himself.