Just HOW DAMN GOOD IS OLEKSANDR USYK!!!

Hand speed too. Usyk's got it.... and it's what gives AJ his biggest trouble.

As for the shots Ngannou took, AJ was able to put his entire body into those straight rights. A more experienced boxer -- and especially Usyk -- would have known not to give AJ those kind of openings.

And btw, where was Mike Tyson for this fight....?

 

Not even close to the same type of shot that landed on Ngannou. LOL. Usyk would never even get caught with that sort of rubbish.

 

He really is amazing.

 

They are, unlike welterweight, super welterweight, middleweight, and super middleweight which are stagnant. I’m highlighting how the heavyweight division is till better than a lot of others in boxing.

 

Usyk knows how to take punch, and he somehow don't eat them flush. He was hurt though in the few occasion AJ countered him with that right hand. By saying hurt i don't mean he was hurt bad or was ready to go or anything, but he definitely felt them.
There was few in the first fight as well.

I still think there was a difference between Usyk 1 and 2. Usyk obviously aging.

Look at AJ now, he is 34(35 in October), and maybe next year will be his last on top of his game. He is also improving and adding stuffs to his game.
Usyk is also heavily relying on speed, reflex, movement, and cardio. All of which goes away with time the first. Power is the last to go.

If they face right now i would favor AJ.
If i would face current version of AJ against prime Usyk i go with Usyk 10 out of 10th. This guy is a different beast to anyone.

 

Hence why Fury KOed Ngannou but not Wilder, right ?

Also, Ngannou is likely tested by USADA because he has a contract with PFL, while drug testing in boxing is a joke.

Being tested by USADA means constant random testing. Not to mention your comparison is complete nonsense : Ngannou already got knocked down 2 times in your example before the definitive KO.

 

Usyk would never beat Ngannou like that because he's pillow fisted. Also, Ngannou destroys him in the street.

Last point : boxers never had to deal with proper drug testing during their whole career while Ngannou had to deal with USADA in the UFC. At least, we know he can compete under stringent drug testing, we don't know for boxers.

 

No, Ngannou didn't respect Fury's power because he's pillow fisted and that's it.

Ngannou isn't shy, if you can't make it respect your power he comes forward, hence why Fury lost.

Wilder hits hard but he's skinny with an average chin. Ngannou is strong with a good chin, hence why Fury had nothing to beat him.

 

In retrospect, while supreme confidence is a must, Francis’ own confidence might’ve crossed over into mild delusion...literally.

I don’t say that glibly, I mean he became cocky even before the first round was out, unnecessarily switching stances which really allowed for the first and most damaging opening.

Aside from being still obviously hurt after he arose - what struck me was Ngannou’s apparent look of disbelief - as if he was thinking - “Me, Francis, knocked down? That cannot be!” Maybe I’m reading too heavily into that, I dunno.

As to MMA vs Boxing, I don’t follow MMA nor am I a particular fan BUT, it’s hardly a Boxing beats MMA moment (which I think is an apples to oranges argument anyway).

For all intents and purposes, Francis’ record is 1-1 against two top boxers.

Also, in order for empathic victories at HW to come to pass, like the one we just witnessed, an inexperienced MMA participant isn’t necessarily a must component.

Such outcomes can often happen between two dedicated HW boxers - big boys, big power, all over in an instant.

Ngannou caught AJ a few times. That included a particularly nice body shot. I would’ve liked to have seen him tag AJ really big at least once - to see how AJ would’ve coped - prior history suggest that he might’ve unraveled a bit.

If Francis had managed to last at least 3-4 rounds, I think he would’ve landed that one big shot at least...but of course AJ got to him first.

I’ll have to rewatch Usyk v Joshua 2. I thought Olek took several right hand bombs - if they weren’t as hard as those Francis took, they weren’t far off at all.

Or, we could assume that those same punches would’ve hurt Francis more than they did Olek who took them like a Champion.

Part of the perception of punch power is the recipients reaction after taking the shot. The way Ngannou went down was as much part of the WOW factor as the punch itself.

If Francis took it, would it look any more powerful than the shot Usyk took - as linked earlier in this thread? Personally, I don’t think so.

Old school example - Foreman piled hellacious punches on to Chuvalo’s head, one after another, big punches but because Chuvalo didn’t fall - Foreman’s power wasn’t as dramatically translated as it was in one of Foreman’s later fights - that fight being against Joe Frazier, of course.

 

I agree, Ngannou belongs in MMA and he proved he's a real athetle even under stringent drug testing (USADA). We don't know for boxers since drug testing in boxing is a complete joke.

And Fury trained seriously, it's just an excuse.

 

No way Joshua stepped into the punch on Francis fully loaded up, full extension on the punch. That punch probably folds any one who takes it. The point is to never take one like that.