Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

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  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    He grew up slowly to a cruiserweight (by aid of steriods). I don't think he was marginally smaller than Shirov, he had possible rather the larger frame.

    No I mean heavyweights increase still often after their 30. birthday and many are not finished products in their twenties. They improve often their skills at advanced age, like Lewis, Walcott and Hopkins. Though Holyfield got also bigger and more muscular in his mid thirties. So it is to generlized to just fix it on the age, as everybody is different, but some can still learn in the early thirties or got more athletic.
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    this just goes to show we're equally stupid
     
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  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    With Toney there is a lot of low hanging fruit of excuses to pick at. The funny part is watching the fan boys react.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I am focusing more on the fanboys George. You don't even think Toney is a top 25 all time middle weight so excuse me for not reading your post. What do you want to know?
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I never called him unexceptional, you're the one who admitted to not knowing a verity of fighters mentioned in this thread, remember?

    I think Toney with the aid of steroids, and picking the right opponents was able to hang in there at heavyweight. He passed on a fight with Wlad who would have pounced him badly. No one said Toney didn't have a good chin. Anyway, in this thread I was focusing on 160-168, and not his losses at 175 or cheating at 200+, got it?
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I am showing the forum YDKSAB. Toney up by there over Peter, and Toney the winner on your card over Oquendo?

    WHAT A JOKE YOU ARE. Oh yeah, Holyfield over Lewis too, and later changed it to a draw as the Lewis cane out and mocked you. :nonono

    Are you ever going to tell us who you felt win between GGG and Canlo 1, or have I make you scorecards disappear forever. I think the later is likely true, at least for you.

    No one of my points on Toney made in post #1 are you going to talk about.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    I want to know why you constantly call out others for not replying to you but then you don't reply to me or McGrain.

    I'd also like to know why, after every effort you've made to belittle Toney is every aspect, you think he's top 25 at MW. After all, you don't give him credit for Nunn. You think he lost to Tiberi. You think he lost to an old McCallum. You also think he needed corrupt decisions over Sosa and Reggie. If he only has one win of note, and you think it's against an old McCallum, why do you have him top 25 at middleweight?

    And you're right, I don't think Toney is a top 25 middleweight. That's because I know a lot more about the middleweight division than you do. You're also right, that I don't have Kid Chocolate top 150 P4P. Where are your lists? Top 25 middleweight? Top 150 P4P?
    :lol:

    It's absolutely hilarious that you think one opinion, which is quite common, means none of my other opinions matter. Over the years you've had so many pathetic and hilariously stupid opinions that would signal to mental health issues on your part.

    You think Golovkin and Cerdan are top ten middleweights. So excuse me for laughing. Excuse me for not reading your post.
     
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Well I am speaking to multiple fans boys at the same time. My time is limited. I don't think you or McGrain are in their class as fanboys, though you try to jump on the pile at times.

    You don't think Toney is a top 25 middle. You had no idea who Kid Chocolate is, and I doubt you know much about Cerdan. You are a teenager, correct? Or maybe 20-21.. Maybe someday this will change. Yes I think Cerdan is a top 10 middle weight, lots of people older and wiser the you agree. The IBRO which maybe you should join to learn also sees Cerdan as a top 10 middle.

    I am saying Toney wasn't a great boxer, and showing why. I added up the rounds won to round lost vs the best he fought at 160-168, and came up with MINUS 16 down on points using the middle judge and allowing for ANY Toney fan boy to give their score on Tiberi vs Toney. Very fair.

    Had Toney done better vs Jones, Nunn, Tiberi and the rest, I sure would score those rounds for him, BUT HE DIDN'T. I think he deserve credit for beating Nunn but I also think Nunn exposed him big time and would have won the re-match. Toney did not give re-matches, to Nunn, Tiberi, or Johnson. Hmmmm..... But sure he'll fight an again man in McCallum again. I scored Toney vs McCallum 1, For McCallum by 1 round. McCallum was up on points and punches landed ( by a large margin ) After round 11. Toney won the 12th big, but it was not enough. One judge gave Toney 10-8 on that round, so he would be the " winner " on his card. We already went over Tiberi out worked Toney. I saw zero effort on Toney vs Jones to risk what he must. I think he's a thug, and a racists, YOU forgive for being one. Do you realize what you are saying? I hope that changes as you wise up.

    Yes I think GGG is a top top 25 all time middleweight. Like I said kid he will be in the hall of fame on his first try.

    My knowledge on boxing greatly exceeds yours. I was a participant, have seen hundreds of more fights than you gave and have some semi rare stuff on film. I've also been watching and sometimes writing on boxing for over 40 years, which is probably double your age.

    Who are you? A teenager with a big mouth. Yep. You have a lot to learn. I think you can, but if you come at with showing yoru ignorance, I sure can serve it back to you. :D In other threads you are fine.
     
  9. steve1990

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    He had good run in a very weak heavyweight division.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

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    Correct.
    How on earth did you gather this? I've known who Chocolate was since before I was on this board.
    Your doubt is misplaced.
    Yes. 17.
    Yes, that's how the aging process works.
    No. No they don't. Older, and thicker. Not wiser.
    Why would I join a group who feels Cerdan is a top 10 middleweight. That'd be sinking down to your level and I'm afraid I'm worth more than that.
    I know, there's only been 120 pages of it :lol:
    I've responded to this in full, in a post you refuse to reply to because you know it's accurate and destroys this strange anti-Toney agenda you have. It's weird, it almost borders on propaganda.
    Just less ths GGG does for beating an ancient Kassim Ouma :lol:
    Sure you do. Because you're an entirely unbias source.
    I've already explained this too. It's flat out wrong, but you refuse to learn and change.
    Yes, the actual blemish on his record. It doesn't take a rocket scientist....
    Incorrectly.
    Punch stats are bull****. And it was only not enough on your card. It was enough on others.
    You do realise that this would have been a draw either way, right? Whether he had it even, or a Toney win, is irrelevant.

    And I don't suppose you'd ever consider this, but maybe he just thought it was worthy of being a two point round.

    I don't know why you're talking like Toney was a massive draw which needed protecting. He was completely unknown headed into the Nunn fight, and he was no superstar before McCallum.
    Based on those quotes? LOL I think you need to learn what racism is, coz that wasn't it.
    No, I just understand that he isn't one.
    Yes. I'm much more capable of understanding basic English than you.
    I appreciate the sentiment. Likewise, I hope you one day can understand Boxing. Even if it's on just a basic level, the leaps and bounds that you'll have come by then can only be rewarding.
    Wrong.
    That would be delightful news, for someone who cares.
    :loel:

    Sure thing mate.
    Same.
    Again, delightful news for someone who cares.
    It is, more than. Which just makes it even sadder how far out of your depth you are when conversing with me.
    Yes.

    Who are you? An old man with a big mouth.

    I know which one I'd rather be.
    Likewise.
    Thanks for validation.

    Can't say the same for you.
     
  11. THE BLADE 2

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    You just score every close fight against Toney.Therefore there is no sense in debating scores with you. And you haven’t answer my question which I asked first.
     
  12. Tin_Ribs

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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thread is a ****ing car crash. Mendoza been lapped so many times he thinks he's winning.
     
  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    [QUOTE="George Crowcroft, post: 20764648, member: 120441"

    Based on those quotes? LOL I think you need to learn what racism is, coz that wasn't it.
    .[/QUOTE]


    Look Kid you're okay sometimes, but your comments are out of order and your understanding of the fighters need a lot of work.

    I'm going to keep it short by saying your thinking Toney is cool excuses his racists mouth. That should change as you age. He's also a drug cheat and a crybaby type at times.

    As a rule, no, I do not like mouthy racists waving guns. But do I like James Toney, yes. He's the exception to confirm the rule in this case. Does that make him an angel? **** no. - George Crowcroft


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    ^^^ There you have it George, I quoted you own words. This option on Toney to me is worse than you not having in in the top 25 at middleweight.

    Also, I'm not that old. I prefer to think middle aged thank you very much. Until then its not comparison who knows more about boxing, in and out of the ring. Check back in say oh 20 years, okay.
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Nah, Not keeping score. Just having fun with fanboys.