Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012
    You have posted a card that NOBODY is interested in, yet you have point blank REFUSED to post a card that he’s been asking for for WEEKS.
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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Remember this guy claimed Sturm vs Geale was fought at 168 so he could pretend all of Golovkins defenses were of the Super WBA title. :drooling:
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    There's no need to play "remember when". There's more than enough material in this thread without going over stuff that happened years or months ago.
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Somethings should never be forgotten. :smile:
  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 14, 2009
    You are just such a poor, unethical, dishonest and biased poster.A boxrec man, applying double standards all the time, unable to apply logic or context or unable to comprehend even the most simplest arguments. Your boxing knowledge and overall level of intelligence is without any doubt extremely limited. But worst of all, you constantly comment on fights or fighters you have not even watched!! You have long been exposed for what you are, one of the 2 or 3 worst posters on this board.

    As for your latest nonsense post:

    -I call BS on your Toney-Mc Callum I card. That is because you had already made your mind up BEFORE watching the fight. Your posts have revealed you commented on that fight BEFORE watching it, as you did with many other fights. Your card has therefore zero credibility!!

    The general opinion and as well the opinion of the broadcast is that Toney won that fight. A draw is already stretching it. You keep referring to punch stats when Mike only landed 3 more punches in the entire fight!! Toney landed the cleaner, harder punches and had Mike out on his feet!! I watched this fight life and I know how it was regarded at the time. You are just some youtube guy with an agenda who of course turns up with 1 point lead against the guy you hate!!!

    Toney- Peter I: Toney outboxed him. I have a hard time seeing how anybody could score it for Peter. The fight was regarded as controversial at the time. The broadcast as well as a lot of the press row had it for Toney.

    Toney-Tiberi: This was actually a close fight but I never scored it round for round. It has no relevance to the subject matter of the thread (how good a fighter Toney was) as Toney was in such poor condition.

    Toney-Oquendo: A close fight that could have gone either way. Now Oquendo had a habit of losing those type fights because of his lack of aggression. I scored it for Toney as he was the aggressor and has built up a considerable lead in the first half of the fight.

    Now, of course Toney did lose other close calls like the Griffin fights in his career so it is not like he has been favoured by the judges overall. Again, I am not interested in debating cards with you as you view and score everything against Toney.
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    Jun 29, 2007
    I'm exposing you as ass.
  7. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

    Nov 22, 2012
    This thread has become an embarrassment.
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    Jun 29, 2007
    Here is the problem. You are attacking this guy over and over again of his scoring of a fight. You've been attacking his scorecards ceaselessly. To me, even if he's wrong, he still has more right to talk about the subject and share his opinion than you. All these fights where you are so sure Toney lost - I suspect you haven't scored any of them. You've refused repeatedly to produce scorecards for many of them. Now this vague **** about "fight was a while ago" and "not that significant."

    I attack back with boxing, he doesn't. That. t the problem. You ban Dino before for doing this type of stuff. Yes, I have scored the fights. Why are YOU standing up for him and not me? That is a biased Mod. - Mendoza

    You have run in this thread more than anyone. Your reason is you're "dealing with fan boys". It's like you have this weird lack of self awareness. YOU are the runner here.

    A RUNNER like Blade is does't answer questions and switches the topic. If you want the fanboy quotes, look at some of the repies. - Mendoza

    If i'm to understand you correctly, you think that a moderator on a boxing forum should have no opinions about boxing? :lol: Mendoza, get ahold of yourself.

    No, A moderator should limit personal attacks that have nothing to do with boxing. Do your job and there won't be any issues. Yet you let them go and then pick rises. Fanboys need personal attacks and lies i I don't - Mendoza

    Absolutely not. I haven't asked you for a Toney-McCallum card. I've asked you for a Toney-Tiberi card, you haven't produced one, a Toney-Oquendo card, you haven't produced one, and a Toney-Peter I card, and you haven't produced one. I am asking you for these cards not at random whereby I would apologise for asking you for them when you assure me you've scored a completely different fight, but for very specific reasons, specifically, the incredibly strong opinions you have about these fights without having apparently scored them.

    Are you feeling okay? I told you several times I like your Toney vs Tiberi card card except for round 4 and offered to score it with you. DUH. Re-read that, please. Now do you have your card? Picture what that might look like.

    I you the Toney vs McCallum card because you said I don't post cards here. which is wrong. Try not to mae that mistake again, okay.

    If you want to score Toney vs Oqneduo with me, Mr. I think GGG vs Canelo 1 was a draw, let's do it. It was a bad call period. Anyone who saw Toney vs Peter knows Toney lost and did not win by 3 points as Blade claimed. Why would I waste 36 minutes on something I already know. Think about it. If you keep taking sides AND letting personal stuff go, I can do two things. 1 ) Act like them, 2 ) Appeal to a higher power.

    Like I said I prefer a clean board.

    Now may I see your draw card of GGG vs Canelo 1? - - Mendoza
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012
    You're exposing me as ass?

    And we're supposed to believe that you've written articles in the past?

    Get real.
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    I've no idea what you're talking about but i've seen nothing in this thread that requires moderation. If you want to give ma a page and post number of what it is that's upset you, I'll look at it, but trying to argue i'm a biased mod is preposterous. I haven't moderated you, or anyone else in this thread, which is completely neutral.

    You have "ducked", as you like to put it, more posts in this thread than any other poster.

    That's not producing a scorecard as has been explained to you, in detail, several times. I will not address this point again, ever. Produce a scorecard or don't but stop parroting the above, it's ludicrous.

    What card?

    I didn't say that, at any time. Why do you paint this picture of yourself as some sort of victim with these strawmen arguments? I never said you don't produce scorecards, I even specifically listed the scorecards that I was talking about in the last post and still you harp on this nonsense.

    I absolutely do NOT want to "score it with you", where do you get these things from? If you're going on and on and on about the scoring of a certain fight by a certain poster it appears, of course, that you have scored the fight. Knowing you, i knew you probably hadn't. I think it would be a great idea for you to score it given you've been talking about it for weeks.

    Yeah, you and this clean board - you've been here for 15 years I think. In all that time it's never been "clean". This notion that you don't' act like them is also very bizarre. You came very close to being banned a couple of weeks ago for dragging a guys wife into a thread while discussing that poster with a third person. Talk about personal. Like I always do, I provided the benefit of the doubt and didn't issue the ban, but please don't paint yourself as some sort of victim. You're perfectly capable of unpleasantness.

    Anyway, this board will never be "clean", so live with it or go somewhere else. In the meantime, stop whining about my moderation of the forum. It's flat out against the rules and you can be banned for it at any time (you're probably not in favour of that though). As an alt for a banned account you can also be permanently removed at any time. Of all the people here, your arguing for stricter enforcement is not wise.

    Appeal to all the higher powers you like. There is absolutely no question that you'll get anywhere.

    Absolutely - as soon as you produce your scorecard for that fight, I will provide mine.
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    Thanks mate. I really needed to hear this. Makes me feel special.
    And yours are always 100% bang on the money and completely appropriate.
    Thanks, I'll take that on board.

    I suggest you take your own advice based on fighters on the other side of Germany, and on James Toney and Jung Koo Chang. 'A lot of work' is an understatement.
    You could keep short and make it make sense. That'd be nice, but I appreciate that it's above you.

    But anyway, I never excused his so called racism. I said it didn't exist, and it doesn't.

    Now this the last word on this. We're in a sensitive area, and I'm not getting banned because you can't ****ing read.

    No-one is disputing.
    Yes. I do like Toney, always have. And he is a drug cheat, who can ***** about his losses. But he wasn't a racist. Not from the quotes you posted anyway.
    Yes, saying Toney isn't racist and that isn't a top 25 middleweight is the truth.

    I appreciate that you can't admit the truth in any capacity, but you can't be calling those who can.
    That's old mate :lol:
    On that we agree! Finally you got something right. One day you'll realise just how out of your depth you are. It'll be a relief and a blessing. Look forward to it.
  12. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 12, 2010
    This thread is still going...? HOW???
  13. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    A hilarious embarrassment. ESB hall of fame.
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  14. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    James Toney? I think I've heard of this guy. So... was he any good?
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012

    He lost to a C level guy called David.