I have answered all questions and even will make a deal with you answering any one you choose as long as you reply to mine. Deal? That's more than fair. Back to the thread.
If you think that running off a scorecard with punchstats is in any way reasonable, allow me to disabuse you. It's pathetic and it's wrong. You might think Toney won that fight. But you haven't scored it. Interrogating a produced scorecard with punchstats, judge's scorecards, none of it is reasonable, all of it is meaningless. The person you are talking to clearly knows more about that fight than you do.
I thought Toney won the first Peter fight, and lost the second. He got a gift against Tiberi. The Griffins fights, I can't remember. He lost the Thadzi fight but it was close too. I think he lost to Oquendo. The Batchelder fight could have gone either way. The McCallum fights could each go either way.
How good was James Toney ?? Not as good as GGG. There. You got what you wanted now could a mod please close down this abomination of a thread started by the worst and most disliked poster on ESB ?
It's pathetic and wrong to use official data in analysis? Says who? These are facts, not opinions. I take it you do know the difference and by crying " disabuse " you come off like a fan boy. Everything I wrote with the exception of the Tiberi card which I offered to use that person's score is fact. So I am being factually, and fair. My observations as to why Toney had trouble with jabs I think are spot on, starting with short arms. Straight up, Toney was not some great boxer. I proved it by using the middle official's card in 6 of his key fights in his prime. The largest point in my opinion is several close fights vs mere contenders or unranked men. Draws, Split decisions, and the fact there were NO re-matches.
I can respect that. I'm really not focusing on his fights above 168, rather how much being he was on scorecards vs the better opponents he fought
Nobody. Absolutely nobody says that. It is pure fantasy and strawman on your part. Now given that your post started on the most false and atrocious premis imaginable, I am not responding to (or reading) the rest of your post.
He was an extremely well schooled boxer. But he was lazy and too selective with his shots. Hence, he was outhustled a few times by guys he should have beaten easily. Jones was about the only guy who just was way too fast for him. Nothing he could have done there.
You’re just too STUPID to realise that McCallum, (the 35 year old man that you ignorantly refer to) BEAT other excellent fighters and boxers. Getting a draw against even a 35 year old Mike McCallum, is NOT evidence that you’re not a great boxer.
The ButtHurt is strong in this thread from the GGG vs. Toney thread. They do make ointments for this level of hurt.
