Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

Yes, a very memorable thread absolutely nobody remembers.

I say:
"If you think that running off a scorecard with punchstats is in any way reasonable, allow me to disabuse you."

You said "It's pathetic and wrong to use official data in analysis?"

Now, first, i'm not sure "official data" is reasonable when referring to punchstats, but forget that for the moment. Either

a) You're so stupid you can't tell the difference between "running off a scorecard with punchstats" specifically and "pathetic and wrong to use official data in analysis" or

b) You're on the wind up.

Either way, i've no use for that.

Read the above. Don't you understand or see the problem? You'r fighting an opponent who isn't there. I'm saying watch the fight. I'm saying if you can't be bothered to watch the fight, shut up. You don't know how you feel about that fight. YOU might score it for Toney. But you can't be bothered to watch it. However, you want to continue to run the fighter to hand down and argue with the poster to hand - so you google "PETER VERSUS TONEY ONE PUNCH STATS" and "JAMES TONEY BOXREC" and then use THAT information to oppose the scorecard of someone who has actually watched the fight.

And you can't seem to understand the problem.

 

Why don't you use Eye On The Ring?

You've been using that a bit lately, Eye On The Ring, talking it up as a source, haven't you? Independent of the forum, etc.? Surely that's better than just "using a Toney fan's card".

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/james-toney-vs-dave-tiberi

Split, absolutely 50.50, down the middle. 50% of people agree with the official scorecards. One of the biggest samples of cards i've seen on the site, too.

So go on. Explain why using Eye On The Ring isn't a good idea this time?

 

I know the founder a bit (Was on here for a while), have been reading up there for years. Thanks though.

Mendoza, don't be ridiculous. You are years beyond that. Everyone knows that you opened this thread because Toney thrashed GGG in the Toney v GGG poll thread and that the entire purpose is to paint Toney in the worst light possible. Do you understand? Everyone knows that.

No. What would make sense would be for you to score the ****ing fight. You have been talking about this fight for weeks now. Weeks and weeks. You could have watched it ten times, watched it intently six times, scored it four times. But no.

there it is. The reason EOTR was good, useful, when it coincided with your wishes but is no good when it doesn't. So you've dismissed EOTR as a source any time the more popular fighter is the controversial loser. Ridiculous, but let's see if you can martial it consistently.

And here you are, at the bottom of the problem once more. "I'd laugh at you."

YOU might score this fight for Toney. YOU might be with the 50% of the people on EOTR that score this fight for Toney. YOU might have it a very, very close win for Tiberi and therefore a reasonable decision. You don't know. Because you won't watch it.

Speaking very generally, you don't appear to watch much boxing.

So you have: the fight fixed; anyone who thinks Toney won it, you laugh at them; you apparently think a close card is impossible. And you haven't scored it. In fact, you are basing all of this - all of these extreme claims - on having watched it "live" decades ago.

The fact that you appear to know you won't score it for Toney - that it is impossible for you to do so - tells me everything I need to know. You're right. It is impossible for you to think clearly about such a thing. You're too biased. If you watched it and had it 114-113 Toney, I'm absolutely sure you would lie about it.

 

I have literally no idea what you are talking about and have no idea why you are going on and on about it in this thread.

You are arguing against a scorecard, you are claiming that it is "off" when you yourself may score it the same way as the person you are criticising. There is no worse type of poster on this forum. There is nobody less helpful, more divisive, or more ridiculous. You are martialing evidence for what you want to be true, without even bothering to find out if it is what you believe. It is the absolute height of dishonesty in the discussion of boxing.

All this can be true and the way you have conducted yourself in this thread, and others, is beyond ridiculous. Arguing forcefully for a fight being fixed, for another poster being wrong about their score, etc. etc. etc., is completely beyond any defence when you haven't scored the fight. You have literally no base, no motive, apart from wishes.

Seeing a fight and scoring a fight are different. In another Toney thread this week you have been demanding another poster produce his score of a certain GGG fight. The poster tells you he hasn't scored it. You tell him, i'm paraphrasing, "you don't need to score it to know who won."

Because for you, who you want to win, is who won.