Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

That James Toney guy, yeah, he was OK. Pretty decent. I remember he had a pretty peachy right hand. Definitely a little above average, that guy. Just above GGG.

 

He is my favorite hw of all time. He was fun to watch. The way he beat Holyfield and Rydell was impeccable. The physique and pop he had in the Booker fight reminded me of a young Mike Tyson. I could say some good and bad things at the unlimited weight class, but he was a good competitor at hw, atg in the lower divisions.

 

If you know anything about the sport, all you have to do is use your eyes and watch him box. It becomes pretty obvious that he's skilled. This whole undefeated manufactured championship millenial bs is getting to me.

 

What an odd thread. I don’t know how this became a war zone all of a sudden. All I know is that if you don’t see James Toney as a skillful boxer with elite level abilities who was able to compete with HOFs and ATGs then you need to find another sport. Anyone who doesn’t appreciate Toney’s skills and resume clearly has something against him.

To answer the question: He was a GREAT boxer. Yes he had his flaws, questionable wins, inconsistencies, hot and cold performances. But his longevity, ability to fight from MW to HW, and willingness to fight anyone is astonishing. He’s the definition of an OLD SCHOOL fighter.

 

I’m looking from a logical perspective.

Nobody is saying that he didn’t take PEDS.

Nobody is saying that they don’t have an impact.

If they didn’t have an impact, they wouldn’t be manufactured.

I don’t advocate anybody using them.

That’s not the point.

The point, is that Mendoza is trying to claim that Toney wasn’t an exceptional fighter, and that him taking PEDS was the only reason that he could beat world class CW’s and HW’s.

Well you go and give an unexceptional MW all the PEDS in the world, and then send him up to CW and HW and have him fight anyone from the top ten.

Whoever you sent up would get absolutely massacred.

Toney took PEDS and they helped him. But the main reason he beat those guys and survived a hammering from anyone, was due to his ring savvy. His skills. Non exceptional, out of shape, ageing former MW’s couldn’t survive against a European level HW, never mind a world class one.

James Toney could be lazy and unprofessional. He could be inconsistent. But he was always an exceptional fighter.

 

I don’t mind guys saying that they think he lost to Reggie and McCallum etc.

It’s highlighting GG’s title defences that I have issue with.

Those numbers mean nothing without applying context.

Hopkins, Calzaghe and Ottke all had more than 20 title defences. Yet none of those fighters had great resumes.

 

And they actually had 20. GGG has nine.

 

Your ass continues to tne kicked around Look, I do not score fights on overall impression, needs to be scored round by round. I would need to rewatch. Right now, I am not in the mood.

What is clear that your are the most dishonest poster on this board. You score every close fight against Toney. You score fights you do not even watch !!! You comment on fighters you never even saw fight purely based from boxrec

 

“Reggie Johnson was outboxed by 7 fighters”

He’ll never live that down.

100% proof that he uses Boxrec.

 

I'd put James Toney in the all-time top 50 at middleweight.
And that's no easy class !

 

After reading the above, I’d like to ask why you have Toney as a top 25 MW?

 

Could well be.

 

Maybe he only knows 25 middleweights.

If I remember rightly, his top 3 is .....

1. Gennady
2. Gennadyevich
3. Golovkin