Just how much is Terry Norris loved and respected by the forum?

If you can't tell the difference in quality between Hagler/Monzon and Norris, then I dunno what to tell you.

 

Xplosive, you rock !

 

Julio Cesar Vasquez would have destroyed Norris.

 

Boxing knowledge truly isn`t your strong point either ! Debating with an idiot Hagler`s resume against Norris stupid conversation. How blind are you ?????? Hagler never ducked anyone !! FYI, Kalamby fought Marvin`s brother AFTER Hagler retired ! McCallum never spoke of moving up to fight Marvin, and are you kidding me, ****ing Graham ???? If you want to talk about Terrible`s KO`s losses to medicre fighters, I promise to bring my reading comprehension to your post... Norris couldn`t carry Hagler`s spit bucket...BTW boxing Einstein,Monzon`s last two wins were a against the other top rated middleweight Rodrigo Valdes, who btw was not a welter... learn your boxing ...

 

Xplosive, tell that to Norris`s Uncle Power Puncher !!

 

Is this the same McCallum who cheated himself by boiling down to junior middle(where he was blatantly oversized) and only moved up after Hagler had lost his titles? He only has himself to blame for that fight not coming off, as he wasn't the kind of big established name that could force a middleweight title superfight by getting some jr middle wins, nor was he an ordinary fighter so he wasn't going to be picked as a record padding defence from a lower division.

kalambay was unfortunately badly managed for years-no connections- and had lost his euro title fight to Kalule.He didn't get going until Hagler lost either.You'd have more of a case mentioning Kalule or Lindell holmes than him.

Graham is the only one with a case that he deserved the fight.

The smaller fighters that fought Hagler\Monzon and the ones that fought Norris....you can't compare the abilities and where they were in their career for the most part.

Most of Norris' were washed up or way too small(taylor who was seriously struggling in his Welter title fights at the time and obviously undersized with nowhere near enough power to be elite there...he was a natural lightweight that had his best years at 140).

Blocker was a legit fight(and ruined by it), but he hardly compares as a fighter to any of the smaller men Hagler or Monzon fought.Taylor was legit too as he had the right to try if he wanted to, as a Welter champ, but he was struggling and clearly too small there and when the Norris fight happened-with many thinking he was an idiot for taking it- obviously an out of his depth midget at 154.It's disingenious to paint that bout in the same light as any of the HAgler\Monzon smaller men fights.

At least most of the men the latter two fought were already established greats.Some were maybe past their best(Griffith and Napoles) but were mostly still beating top contenders and in the top ten mix(if not at middle then at least jr middle).Napoles hadn't fought at middle but that was an as previously mentioned traditional legit Welter vs Middle champ fight, which has always happened throughout boxing history and is a trademark of any fighter attempting multiple weight success around these weights-with Napoles being in better shape and still a clearly superior fighter to taylor, even if he was too small at middle(i don't consider him one of Monzon's better wins btw, i'd say he's middle of the road as far as his title defences go)

Guys like Curry(not a factor at any weight for years) or inactive weight drained Leonard don't compare.I doubt Ray in the state he looked in that fight would have beaten any of the decent top ten junior middles of the day.

 

Also, you know I'm not ripping Norris to bits and you know exactly where I'm coming from. lora has covered all basis in his post.

 

Great factual post.. Good read !!

 

We can all debate the quality of fighters that Monzon and Hagler fought... What truly seperates them form Norris is that they beat and and all the top available competition. Norris, would win some, mostly against smaller and past their prime opponents. But, he would also LOSE to fighters of significantly less caliber. Hagler and Monzon, were rock solid on their perch as true middleweight kings... And does anyone really think that Hagler or Monzon `ducked` anyone ? Those two guys feared no one. Norris never avenged his defeats to Jackson or Mullings , you`ll notice I left Boudani and Rosenblatt out of this equation because It was late in Norris career and there wasn`t enough time. Now when you get to Hagler, he avenged all his defeats except SRL, who would NOT give him a rematch, fact. Monzon was even more onsane, he defeated all 3 fighters he lost to and avenged 8 0f the 9 draws on his record, this if my memory serves me correctly without checking boxrec. There is no way Norris chin would see him through either Hagler or Monzon. Monzon was rangy with good reach and heavy hands. Hagler was an aggressibe boxer/puncher who had good pop in his shots and was in great shape to go all 15 if he had to. Plus, Norris wouldn`t be able to even tickle their respective chins. These were two guys who HAD great chins, unlike Norris. They both earned their titles by beating EVERYONE on the way up. And once they got there, cleaned out their division of any worthwhile contenders. Monzon retiring as champ. Hagler leaving on a contraversial defeat.

 

Neither did Hearns

 

Are you trying to talk boxing with me you ****** I never said Norris had a better resume than Hagler or was better, I said you can rip anyone's resume to shreds, as I've proven. And yes McCallum did push for a Hagler fight

The question was whether Hagler cleaned house, he didn't. I know there's good business reasons why he didn't and I didn't say he ducked anyone.

How about comparing Leonard to Griffith and Napoles, similar ages all around 34. The main issue with Leonard is the weight making at 154.

The difference in size between Monzon-Napoles or Hagler-Duran is greater than that between Norris-Taylor. Also was this a catch weight fight? Both men weighed 149. Taylor is pretty much prime where as Duran and Napoles were 34

 

He was garbage. Threw some nice combinations on occasion, though.

 

He was one of the better boxers of his time, but I don't see him as a top 10-15 ATG.

 

I followed Norris from about his 4th or 5th pro fight. the idea of him being an "ATG" is nonsensical. He was a pretty good fighter, though. He could hit real good with either hand, fast hands, ripping combinations, and he could move and box pretty good too. On a night where he put it all together, he could be tough for just about anybody.
Of course, his chin was prone to letting him down, and he often put himself in a position to let that happen. He'd get carried away with the potential gain of his power, handspeed and combinations, and his chin would pay the toll. Of course, it took Julian Jackson to do this at his peak; I think he was well into his decline (you could tell when he started getting front foot heavy) when it became a real liability.
He had all the skill and ability to be one of the best. His decision making in the way he chose to pursue fights, in the ring, make me think that he is not "great."