Just looked up jimmy wildes record and it is a joke this man is considered atg

His biggest mistake was not getting his opponents to agree to catch weights ,this is a neccessary credential for hall of fame status these days :hey

 

The same Young Zulu Kid who Charlie Rose rated as a top 10 ATG Flyweight?

The same Young Zulu Kid who had draws with Pete 'Kid' Herman, Johnny Young Rosner and Memphis Pal Moore, while beating Red Watson and Young Solzberg?

The same Young Zulu Kid who fought in an era where most bouts were called no contests?

The same Young Zulu Kid who fought 130+ times?

You're right, that is an indication of the level of opposition he faced

 

Did I say I rate him in the top 10? Or did I say Charlie Rose does?

I'm just trying to work out if a) this is a bad attempt at a joke or b) if you're just plain ******ed.

Just because you have never heard of him doesn't make him ****.

The fact that you completely overlook Wilde's weight and height disadvantages makes you a moron. He knocked out Joe Conn who was a Featherweight while Wilde weighed in at 108 (or something similar) while fully clothes, he beat Symonds who was a Bantam, Trancy Lee, Sid Smith, Joe Lynch And Pal Moore, who were all considerably bigger than him. These are a who's who of the era's best Bantamweights, and Wilde, a natural Strawweight, beat them all! Can you serious imagine Joyi or Calderon, not only beating, but knocking out the likes of Mares, Agbeko, Vic Darch etc?

Put simply, Boxing historians and Boxing journalists alike, all rate Jimmy Wilde as a top 3 Flyweight of all time (many, including myself, have him at number 1). Why? Because he was THAT good.

 

My guess is that his claim of 800 fights is no different from Rickson Gracie's 400 wins which turned out to have included so many of his sparring with his students.

 

A lot of them were so called 'phone booth fights' at local fair grounds (where this little 15 year old kid would take on men double his weight), but some were simply not covered by the newspapers as there wasn't much demand for the Flyweights in Britain at the time. What is impressive about Wilde is that he could name each of his 800 opponents and when he fought them.

There was a great interview he did with the BBC in the 60s which can be found online if you are genuinely interested.

Perhaps the best way to decribe him is by using Gene Tunney's words: Jimmy Wilde was the greatest fighter I ever saw.

 

If he could name 800 of his opponents, perhaps he fought each of them 10 times?

And how do we know those guys were any better than the cab drivers or ex firemen that modern day fighters were heavily criticized for fighting?

Gene Tunney's statement can only be taken so much. Apparently he didn't see the fighters that followed after him and there were so many great ones. And his opinion is no better than that of the many other fighters that has their own choice of who is GOAT.

 

Well Gene fought Harry Greb (my number 1 all time), and still rated Wilde greater. Now I dont agree with that, but that statement speaks volumns whether you agree with it or not.

Perhaps he did fight these fighters more than once. But Robinson, Greb and Armstrong did the same thing.

When you say 'how do we know these guys were no better than cabbies', who exactly are we talking about? Are we talking about Young Zulu Kid, Symonds, Trancy Lee, Sid Smith and Pal Moore and Joe Conn?

Even if we go by Jimmy's boxrec record, he still has 134 wins (100 by KO), with 4 losses, including his last 2 fights. When completely shot and coming off a 2 year retirement, he seriously wobbled Pancho Villa (better than a cab driver some would say) even after he was clearly hit after the bell in the second, a punch which left he concussed for 3 weeks.

 

Bingo :good

 

After a 2 year retirement.

After being fouled in the second (Ray Arcel who was at ringside said he would have been awarded a DQ win, but Jimmy refused to appeal to the referee)

And after seriously wobbling Villa (who was in his prime)

It's still an amaing achievement in my books

 

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How pathetic of you. That's like me saying you're a pedo and demanding you prove you're not one.

You claimed they were bums, back up the claim.