Just re-scored Kovalev vs Ward. 2nd scorecard comparison with 1st card

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  1. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I cant stop watching these rounds man!!!!!!!
     
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  2. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One other thing as regards the scoring of the bout.

    As I said above that I think the range of scoring can go between "comfortable Kovalev win to narrower Ward win," you can deduce two things from the writers' scores for the fight and from the judges' scores for the fight.


    * The writers/observers mostly had it correct

    The "acceptable range" of scores favors Kovalev, and thus you had a higher percentage of writers giving the fight to Kovalev. This is not surprising. You can argue with the scores the writers got, but I think they pretty much came up with what you would think given the continuum of how this fight could have been scored. Maybe instead of 75/25 for Kovalev it's more like 66/33 Kovalev, but still I think that the writers/observers did a pretty good job


    * Ward got pretty much the best judging he could get in the first fight

    When Larry Merchant said after the fight that Ward got a "hometown" win and that Kovalev would have won by 9 points in Russia, I think he's mostly correct. With the point being that the 3 official judges gave Ward the majority of the close rounds on their cards. That doesn't mean Ward didn't "deserve" to win, it just means that Ward got about as much judging in his favor as you can expect to get. And that's why things like being in your hometown or home nation matters in boxing. Every little thing you can get in your favor counts.



    Ward got to 114 points on all 3 cards (judges gave Ward 7 rounds), with my "reasonable maximum" being 115 points for him (judges give Ward 8 rounds). That's pretty darn good judging if you're a Ward fan.

    I think there were like 4 people who got Ward to 116 points (Ward wins 9 rounds) in the like 60+ or so who were surveyed. One of them was Paulie Malinaggi (I think), and the other three I'd have to look at their names again. The only way I can think of getting Ward to 116 points would be if you gave him the 6th round. And to be fair to Ward, one of the official judges did award him Round 6.

    Anyways, getting 114 points of a probable maximum of 115 points on all three cards is a pretty good job by the judges if you are on Team Ward.
     
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  3. MoJoGoodie

    MoJoGoodie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im not a pro Ward or Kovalev fan....I do think they are very good fighters but I was shocked Ward won and even more shocked that not even one judge had Kovalev winning.
     
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  4. NewBoxingOrder

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    Given the "acceptable" range of scores from which the judges could have scored the fight, I would agree that there was not a high probability that Ward would win on all 3 cards. I think you're right about that.

    Just going off the official scorecards themselves, the judges pretty much banked 5 of the first 6 rounds for Kovalev (1,2,3,4,6). What that means is that Ward essentially had to run the table on those cards in the second half of the fight to eek out a 7-5 rounds win and a 1-point scoring win. And that's exactly what happened on two of the judges' cards, with two of them giving Ward rounds 7-12 and the other giving Ward 5 of the final 6 rounds.

    As I said above, this was about as good of a judging outcome as Team Ward could have expected. I think the only other fair/possible score outcome in favor of Ward was 115-112 (rather than 114-113), and the judges were not going down that road after two of them gave Kovalev round 3.

    Essentially, Ward pulled a straight flush down the stretch with the judges when that was exactly what he needed in order to win. Or to put it another way, Ward won in the only possible way he could have won.

    It was not a robbery, but Ward got the most favorable outcome possible. I think that's fair to say.
     
  5. N17

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    Superb post.
     
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  6. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward did do well in the 1st round, I agree. I think what hurt him was his reaction to that jab that Kovalev hit him with. Also, Kovalev did land more punches in the round via CompuBox. But I know what you are saying. Ward was pretty good in that round.
     
  7. drenlou

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    I'm waiting until Thursdays Turkey dinner to rewatch it with the fam bam!!
     
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  8. anarki_ykw

    anarki_ykw New Member Full Member

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    I am a new member of this site - and my first post.

    I have watched neither boxer before, but I had heard of Andre Ward. I didn't really have preconceptions or preference as to who would win. I was told this was a fight between top fighters in their prime.

    I normally score fights as I watch them. I am in the UK, so watched the first few rounds with Sky Sports Commentary and second half with HBO (my recording ran out of disk space).

    My card was almost identical to the above. Kovalev looked superb in the first few rounds and Ward almost looked scared and at the very least confused. After the knockdown I don't think Kovalev did enough to win Round 3 and I also gave round 5 to Ward. I am not a fan of the from-the-backfoot-defend-run-defend approach that Ward seems to use - but he did enough to just shade these rounds - despite Kovalev not being in any danger - he backed off too much.

    The rest of my card is the same as your second card, I thought the last round was too close to call but I may ahave shaded it to Kovalev - overall I think Kovalev had the better fight but the real issue was his stamina - he got tired, visibly slower and gave away rounds by just not doing enough.

    The rounds the Kovalev did win he won by a margin, the rounds that Ward won he won by a whisker. This could have gone either way 114-113 or a draw. I certainly didn't see a robbery.

    As for HBO and Leterman - I am not sure what fight he was seeing. Yes Kovalev was the aggressor but he didn't do enough in the last few rounds. That being said I don't think Ward did enough to "rip the titles from a Champion".

    A good fight.
     
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