Just re-watched the fight - Margo is perhaps my favourite Pacman performance!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Nov 14, 2010.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    I was on too much of a knife-edge last night to really analyse and appreciate Pac's performance, but have just re-watched and reviewed the fight, and I really thought it was a truly, truly sublime display.

    Margarito was 165lbs, which is effectively a middleweight in the ring (Sergio Martinez was 167 in the ring when he beat Kelly Pavlik), and Manny was 148, which is effectively a light-welterweight (Ricky Hatton was 152lbs when he fought Pac for the lww title).

    Manny's performance was perfect. He fought someone with massive size advantages over him in pretty much every meaningful way, but unlike the Clottey fight, Margarito did his very best to make these advantages count by steaming forward, throwing a lot of serious leather, and attempting to back Pac up and make him crumble, like he did to Miguel Cotto.

    In the face of that kind of pressure and that kind of physical challenge, a normal fighter would either capitulate, or take flight. It would have been easy for Manny to run, flick out punches, keep moving, and try to stay out of harm's way and be content to edge the rounds with tidy boxing, but he wanted to give the fans a show, he wanted to prove to Margarito and everyone else that he could stand in close quarters and take and return fire, and wanted to inflict damage and push the fight as far as he could.

    We all know Manny has incredible speed, incredible footwork, and an incredible offensive arsenal of punches, but again last night he showed just stunning, stunning physical strength and punch resilience. Because of Margo's size and his output, and Pac's willingness to fight in range, we saw Manny take some crunching clean shots from a 165lbs guy, and undoubtedly he took Margarito's best shots better than Margo took his! (in rounds 4 and I think 10 Margo seemed to be ready to go, all credit to him for hanging in there).


    The way Manny pierced Margo's guard with his punches, the way he rattled off beautiful varied lightning-fast combinations, and of course the way he pivoted off the ropes and utilized great footwork all night was just a joy to behold, a true Zen Master of the art of boxing at work.


    Many people (mostly known haters/idiots) have suggested on here that the performance was not particularly special or that Margo is no great scalp for Pac, but I really think these guys need to put this win into context:

    If beating a guy who outweighs you by 6lbs on the scales and by 17lbs in the ring is no big deal, then why don't other fighters the same size as Manny do likewise? :huh

    Juan Manuel Marquez is busy fighting the likes of Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis, but why when he could be making much more money fighting Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley?

    If it is easy for Manny to beat guys the size of Margarito, Cotto and Clottey because he is so fast, then why haven't we seen the likes of Devon Alexander, Joan Guzman and Humberto Soto try and chase fights with guys that size?

    Because they would all get ****ing crushed, that's why!!


    Even as an ardent Pacquiao fan, I have restrained myself from saying he is top 20 ATG status and/or on the same level in terms of modern greatness as Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker, but I genuinely think it's time to start considering whether Pac merits this status now. Leonard beat better fighters, Whitaker had more ability, but Pac's achievements are becoming insane. For a guy who won a world title at 112lbs to win a world title vs someone who is 165lbs in the ring is just ridiculous.

    My final word:

    Every true boxing fan is humbled to be watching the career of one of the greatest fighters ever.

    :happy:happy:happy






    NB: The fight was doubly sweet, because it shot down two recent claims by the moronic ***** masses:

    - There was clearly no "rehydration clause" in the contract

    - Margarito clearly, clearly did not lie down, he gave his everything

    Unlucky guys, keep reaching!!! :smoke
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    ...Margarito took a horrible beating...but he took it and never stopped trying to win. This is why Boxing is the most compelling sport in the world...
     
  3. horst

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    I agree. It was a magnificent fight, and Margarito gave a magnificent effort. I do think the ref or his corner should've stopped it in the 10th or 11th, but what can you say when a Mexican warrior gives his blood to make it to the bell? I think Margo is a scumbag rat *******, but you simply cannot question his fighting heart and his physical toughness.

    Addie, would you be interested in Margo-Clottey II, winner is back in business, loser retires? :think
     
  4. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great performance, probably my favorite since he went above lightweight.

    People shouldn't get too carried away though. Margo's best days are well behind him and he was coming off two terrible performances plus a cheating controversy. It was what it was; great performance from an ATG against a much bigger foe.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'd be surprised if Margarito could comeback from that, and I'm not to hot on the idea of him even trying. I thought he looked okay in the fight, obviously in amazing shape, but these talks of him being the best he's ever been are every bit as reaching as the re-hydration clause rumors. Baseless, really.

    Only Floyd can hope to be competitive with Pacquiao at 147lbs, everybody else need not apply.
     
  6. horst

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    You can't say a unanimous decision with a knockdown and the scores in the region of 100-88 on the cards is a "terrible" performance, that doesn't even make sense. At worst, it was an ok performance.

    But I hear what you're saying man, fair post otherwise. :good
     
  7. horst

    horst Guest

    True.
     
  8. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Good post mate. To think he beat Margo last night weighing approximately the same in the ring as he did against Marquez. He did it on skills alone.
     
  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I agree with your post to an extent. I actually like the Cotto performance. I thought his punches were faster, and I felt that he adjusted after the 1st round and broke Cotto done extremely well. I thought his combinations and punch choices were superb. Seeing him throw more uppercuts, a punch Cotto is known to being susceptible toward was brilliant and lead to him badly hurting and dropping him.

    Margo was tough and relentless so it made for Pac to look great. I honestly felt watching it that Pac went to the ropes to cause more excitement. I didn't think it was necessary and I felt he could've avoided it more. He himself showed grit taking shots and then coming back. At the same time, we both predicted this fight almost the way it would happen. I didn't think Margo's face would be such a mess but Pac is a phenom. The questions I had was whether Pac would get the stoppage, and whether he would unload to go the for the KO. He mostly choice speed over power landing combinations. At times when he was backed to the ropes he decided to land powerful shots to wobble Margo. I would say he unloaded power shots more than in his fight against Cotto or Oscar, though. Because Margo is there to be hit, and he is slow.

    I was impressed with his body-work, though. We saw it against Clottey for obvious reasons but he was diversifying his punches and hurting Margo to the body to really break him down. I still feel Margo skills never really that great. He's a tough guy but absolutely tailor made for Pac. Stunning stuff, Pac is something special. He showed grit which makes it an exciting and new kind of performance. But was he better here than he was in the Cotto or Oscar fight? I'm not sure... I actually feel Pac's speed has ever so slightly declined (Unfortunately). But the power is there, and he's carrying it great and it's improving. I also liked Pac's movement and he showed the angles. He did what I thought and what he was supposed to do. Doesn't mean it doesn't impress me every fight I keep watching him.

    I have to ask, though. Did you see Margo's last fight? He was painfully slow of both hand and foot. I re-watched the Pac fight this morning and I watched the Cotto-Margo partly yesterday and Margo was definitely better and fresher in that Cotto fight I think.

    Lastly, I love the move Pac does when he set his head open in the center line of attack only to slip to the right and throw that quick left hand. Such a great move he's completely mastered.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It's chilling to watch. Every time Manny unloads, I expect a reaction from the opponent...and even Margarito was hurt by a counter right to the temple last night.
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Manny don't need Floyd...Floyd needs Manny.
     
  12. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Why were you worried? It was obvious Pac was going to beat Margarito, only a fool could think otherwise. So what if he was heavier? That just makes him slower and easier to hit. The slower he is, the less chance he has to close Pac off and impose himself upon him. That was the only chance Margo had of winning this fight, and he was too slow to do it. It was clear to me that Pac would give him a beating, I just thought Pac would be able to get him out of there.
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Meh. Anyone who expected less is a fool.

    I give Pacquiao full credit though.
     
  14. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Indeed. I love how he gets hit and comes back with explosive combinations. Always shaking Margo up.

    I was thinking while watching though that Margo was so slow that he made Pac look like Willie Pep at some points. But Margo landed some of his own in some of those rounds as he persisted to get Manny near the ropes.
     
  15. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    :lol:
    Sanity is starting to come back around. I have never seen a mass bunch of dudes glorify the expected like this. :lol: Margarito was going to get his ass whooped and only had a hail mary chance to get the win. Thats it. Pac runs his punches down the middle.. Margarito's guard is pathetic. Also, he winds up his wide looping slow ass punches. Leaving more of an opening.