Just Realised Arturo Gatti was COMPLETELY PAST PRIME vs Floyd Mayweather!

This.

 

Past prime or in his prime, Gatti(Rest in Peace) has no chance in hell against someone like Mayweather.

 

He was post-prime, but much like Wlad, it's arguable that he was "better" post prime because of a style change.

Much like Wlad with Steward, Buddy McGirt had transformed Gatti from more of a brawler to a boxer/puncher. After beating Ward in the 2nd and 3rd fight he had an impressive streak where not only did he win easily, he looked good doing so... against Branco, Dorin and Leija.

Now none of those guys were elite, but all were A/B boxers at least. He had some momentum going into the Floyd fight.. and Floyd destroyed him.

So yes, post-prime, but you could argue at the time he was at his skill peak.. he was the most disciplined he'd ever been during that stretch.

 

You just now realized that? Even Mayweather was saying he was a C+ fighter before the fight.

 

Anyone calling Gatti a C-level fighter is underrating him considerably.

He wasn't elite, but he was a solid B to A- type of guy. C-level guys wouldn't have beaten Dorin, Leija, Millett, Gamache, Patterson and Ruelas.

It's not a HOF resume, but it's a damn good resume. Most fighters would be proud to have a lot of the wins Gatti got in his career.

 

You can't deny the Ward trilogy had taken its toll on Thunder, and he was definitely past his prime, but he wasn't quite shot to bits yet (or he wouldn't have recently been going twelve with Branco and surging late to snag one last title, and knocking out Dorin or Leija in a pair of defenses).

The version that fought Tata and Gomez, though - he was truly shot (accelerated by the ruination at Mayweather's hands).

 

I think the biggest thing people fall into when judging Pacquiao, is nobody takes points for circumstances regarding his fight's like they do others.

Manny is an ATG fighter no doubt but dude has been fighting at 140+ since he was at 122/26, the vast majority of his career he was the bigger fighter in most matchups just not taller.

Also most of Manny's best name opponent's were going through a career worse streak, this is brought up constantly for other fighters or when comparing Mayweather but never for Pacquiao.

I don't have an issue with who you rate higher, but me personally I have Mayweather higher for circumstances.

say what you want about Mayweather's top fight's, he's never fought a guy in the middle of a 1 win 7 fight losing streak as Manny did for one of his most praised wins vs Morales.

 

Yea, your a dumbass. Pacquiao rehydrated to 129 against Julio. At 122-126 he wasn't even close to rehydrating to 140 pounds.

 

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Pacquiao gets the same treatment Holyfield used to. Everybody likes to pretend he is some perennial underdog conquering impossible odds and slaying relative giants, and that just isn't true upon close examination - and his biggest achievements do have asterisks taking into account the recent form of his opponents when he caught them in the ring.

Not saying you can't find equally valid nitpicks about Mayweather or anybody else, but they are glossed over in Pacquiao's case just because people like his style, personality or backstory and makes for a very sympathetic "hero" figure. People have a blind spot where he is concerned (as they did with Holyfield) and just aren't capable of rational critique.

 

You approve his post, but completely ignore that he didn't rehydrate to over 140 pounds at 122/126 which is what he said.

That's just completely untrue. It's that simple.

 

ok if you want to get technical 126/30 Pacquiao was entering the ring at or 15+ lbs above/near or over 140, I like how you passed up the other point as well.

Both fighters have there faults but Manny's are glossed over or largely ignored, I mean one thing I give Mayweather credit for prime or not, young or old the major of the Champs he fought and titles he's won we're vs guys at the top of there game and looking close to career best.
how many guys can you really said that about on Pac's resume as he moved up not many, but nothing is ever going to go 100% according to plan still a great no doubt.

You should try having an actual debate instead of fanboying out bro.

 

I don't think Pacquiao ever rehydrated over 15 pounds at 130 or 126. Actually I don't even think he rehydrated close to 140 pounds at 126.

 

You should look into his fight night weights during his time there, he would routinely be the bigger fighter weighing high 130's mid 140's from 2002/3 or so and onward.

 

In 2002 he rehydrated to 129. The problem with your posts about Pacquiao's rehydration weight is your information is wrong.