Just Realised Arturo Gatti was COMPLETELY PAST PRIME vs Floyd Mayweather!

1. Yeah...no.

Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, JC Superstar, Mickey Walker, and Harry Greb were all fighters who spent a lot of time on the front foot (more than Bazooka did, to be honest), and they all won belts or did great business in multiple weight classes.

Pac did well to modify his style and incorporate more technique and ring movement, but aggression alone isn't a detriment to success in weight hopping.

C'mon man, you know your history. You should know better than to make a statement like this.

2. I don't know if Pac shipped enormous punishment in as many fights as Gannicus suggests. JMM I and II (to a lesser extant) and IV, Morales I and II (to a lesser extant). He didn't really take much abuse against MAB both times, or against Bradley. Sanchez roughed him up, but that contest was abbreviated. The proportion of ring wars that he's been involved in is surprisingly limited, given his style and longevity.

3. He was still faster than most everyone he faced post 2008. Plus his ring IQ improved to the point where it compensated for any ring wear that he might have suffered to that point. He was hardly shot- and if fact was a better boxer at that point due to improving his technique.

4. Pac was a betting favorite against Hatton and Cotto. I think the only fights where he was an underdog was against DLH, when the weight leap seemed a bridge too far, and FMJ.

 

Bigger men absorb punishment better than smaller guys on average.

 

Sometimes that applies.

 

On average, but sometimes fighters' punch resistance increases as they move up. Pac was one such case (Pedroza's another that immediately comes to mind). Pac was KO'd twice at flyweight, yet took shots from legit punchers at higher weights. He doesn't take those shots if his punch resistance doesn't improve.

 

Dude...That's what I'm saying. Pac was indeed good. But he got even better as time progressed and he developed a more varied attack to his game. You're the one arguing that Pac was dog sh*te as he got older in order to diminish Floyd's victory over him....not me.

Pac is this generation's answer to Jimmy McLarnin. And Jimmy McLarnin is an ATG.

 

Pacquiao's punch resistance was best at 122-130 pounds. Where he actually took a really solid shot. His chin at featherweight is actually really underrated.

At flyweight he was still growing and underfed.

Pacquiao's early years and a lot of other 3rd world fighters for that matter can't be taken seriously because they just didn't have the proper training or food needed.

 

because nobody liked gatti before he died? lol wow

 

Of course he got better, but only up to a certain point. Is 19 year old Pacquiao worse than 25 year old Pacquiao? Is 36 year old Pacquiao worse than 25 year old Pacquiao?

Pacquiao's career arc is actually normal. He started out green, peaked and then declined. Nothing unusual about that.

 

Again, what I'm saying. We're arguing from different sides of the same coin, Tin.

He took solid shots from Cotto at 147lbs and got clipped by Margo a few times, too. He could hardly be considered china chinned at the weight (KTFO 6 notwithstanding).

 

Agreed, but the trajectory of his decline is hardly as abrupt as Gan is making it out to be.

If you want to say that FMJ's style serves him better than Pac's style in the autumn of his career, I will agree completely. But Pac has still been able to defeat top quality guys like Bradley in spite of losing a half-beat.

 

Agreed, he was never really chinny. Even at 147, but at least Margarito and Cotto could hurt him at the higher weights.

Marquez landed flush shots at 126. I mean massive haymakers and Pacquiao walked right through it.

 

So........You're saying he was dog sh*te, then.

 

Agreed. Pacquiao operating at 85% is still good enough to beat a guy like Bradley.