Just rescored the fight: Clottey got robbed no question

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  1. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Cotto is terrible when he fights off the back foot. He has poor defense and isnt good at counter punching. He basically has one punch that he's good at doing fighting off the back foot and thats the counter right. And Clottey pretty much blocked it like he blocked 90% of Cotto's punches in the fight.

    Mayweather is a great fighter off the back foot. Cotto is average to terrible given his stamina at the time.

    Workrate means little when you are accurate. Clottey was both accurate and his punches were more telling. If Clottey throws 40 punches and lands 20, and Cotto throws 60 and lands 15. Who won the round? Clottey.

    Terrible score. There is no way Cotto won 7 rounds in the fight.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I had it all even going into the last round and gave it to Cotto as he won the final round. It was a very close fight but no way a robbery. Scoring in boxing is subjective and there were a number of close rounds which could be scored either way depending upon your own scoring criteria and personal preferences in terms of fighting style.

    If the rounds had all been clearly in favour of one fighter or another then I could see why some would call it a robbery but that simply wasn't the case. It was a very good fight where niether fighter in my opinion proved their superiority over the other, both had their moments in a fight where the advantage constantly shifted.
     
  4. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. And someone brought up a good point and said that particular judge prolly scored the 6th round a 10-8

    considering how he sat more than half the round on the ropes doing literally NOTHING in return...having the ref scream out "Josh you better defend yourself"...very DOMINATING round...regardless of how you feel about how hurt you think he was or not. It just looks terrible when a fighter sits like that on the ropes.

    Most of these judges werent big time judges so I can see how that might seem like a 10-8 round to an inexperienced judge.
     
  5. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    You think he won by a single point and he was ROBBED?!
     
  6. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    When you win 7 clear rounds on a scorecard and you lose by scores of 116-111 and 115-112 you are robbed.
     
  7. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He looked pretty ****in' jumpy after the 6th...BS injury IMO. (Im not even sure it was his knee that got ****ed up in that situation...I think it was his ankle.)

    And he was asking for that rabbit punch. Holding a fighters arm while he's turning around is asking for it.
     
  8. Solid Chin

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    Clottey threw the fight away end of, he wasn't letting his hands go enough at times when he could of won close rounds easily.

    The fight could have gone either way but looking at the fight even my mum was saying why is this guy not punching and she's not even a hardcore boxing nut like we are. I had a few other people say exactly the same thing. It's just how people see things and in reality Clottey should of been letting his hands go more. You dont win a round by how many punches you block, you win a round by letting your ****ing hands go so get over it...:hi:
     
  9. Evil Rich

    Evil Rich Tweety is PISSED off! Full Member

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    I thought Clottey won the fight but as the 20 odd posters all saying the same thing before me "it's not a robbery when it's 1 point", Clottey was never winning a close fight on points in NYC against Cotto, just look at the ****in corrupt wanker who scored the fight 116 - 111. Corrupt judges are part and parcel of boxing nowadays, even Clottey knew he wasn't winning on points and it's sad thing but always was gonna happen.

    I don't mind people seeing the fight with Cotto as the winner but to me he did, very, very little and I think when you throw, whether you land or not, I'm not scoring for you if you don't even make the other guy even blink (but I'm showing my bias now, I had Calzaghe clearly over Hopkin's).
     
  10. Danny_Rand

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    How'd he throw the fight away because Cotto ran? :lol: How'd he throw the fight away when he landed more punches, landed the harder punches, had the higher connect percentage, and the better defense.

    Thats how you win fights. He already had the fight won in round 10 if you scored it correctly.

    Clottey threw 49 punches in round 11. :lol::lol::lol:


    I dont know which one of you noobs came up with the idea that Clottey didnt throw enough. Im sure if Cotto wouldnt have been on his bike and doing the mile from post to post, Clottey could have thrown more.

    You dont win fights by activity, you win by precision. Clottey landed 222 punches. 50 more the Cotto did. Obviously he let his hands go enough.
     
  11. Solid Chin

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    Well that explains your scorecard doesn't it?

    If you dont even consider workrate, if no clean effective punches are landing then workrate and ring generalship is next in line and Clottey fights in a deceiving way in which he looks as if he spends most of the round blocking punches and letting the other guy just tee off on him and he fights in spurts. I tell you who said it how it really is.

    Listen to this and listen to Lou Di Bella and the way he assessed the fight because that is exactly the fight I saw too.

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    You can forward it to 11:20
     
  12. Vengeance

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    I thought Clottey won too. But it was a close fight. You said so yourself. It was 114-113... so why call it a robbery? It's razor-thin.
     
  13. Danny_Rand

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    I repeat

    When you win 7 clear rounds on a scorecard and you lose by scores of 116-111 and 115-112 you are robbed.


    The rounds Clottey won were clear rounds. Most of these he pretty much dominated.

    Clottey won 7 rounds to Cotto's 5. Thats a CLEAR victory. The only reason its one point is because of the knock down. If not for the knockdown, Clottey would have won 8 rounds to Cotto's 4.
     
  14. Danny_Rand

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    You dont score fights by workrate.

    1. clean effective punching

    2. Ring generalship

    3. Effective aggression

    Nowhere is workrate involved.


    You either land punches or you dont land. There is no inbetween. The only time you go for workrate is if the round is even.
     
  15. Solid Chin

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    Exactly mate, you just answered my whole argument.

    When a round is even you go for workrate, most of the rounds were close and the only thing that separated most of them was both guys activity.

    Cotto looked like he was fighting more consistently rather than Clottey who was fighting in spurts and he got too arrogant in there thinking he was already winning and in my honest opinion even without scoring the fight the 1st time I knew Cotto had won the fight based on those last 2 rounds of the fight because Clottey just wasn't doing enough at the end of the fight and he blew it and you yourself gave Cotto the last 2 rounds.

    I scored it the 2nd time and 3rd time watching it and had it 115-112 to Cotto.
    the knockdown was crucial and the last 2 rounds