Just rescored the fight: Clottey got robbed no question

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Danny_Rand, Jun 15, 2009.


  1. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Workrate can be considered or fallen into the category of "effective aggression"
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn't say robbery, but I scored the fight for Clottey too, and there was a very significant advantage in total punches, power punches and connect % in favor of Clottey.

    If you turn down the sound of the very pro-Cotto crowd and the commentators, you'll see an effective Clottey and a really not effectve Cotto at work most of the time. But we score rounds not fights overall, so it was close, 114-113 on my card.

    Personally I just don't see Cotto winning 6 rounds in this fight.
     
  3. Vengeance

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    Workrate isn't necessarily effective aggression. If you throw 100 punches, but barely land anything, that is not very effective at all. But it's still workrate.

    Effective aggression is the guy coming forward, throwing and landing the more effective punches. That's Clottey. How aggressive was Cotto on his backfoot the whole night?
     
  4. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the backfoot the whole night?!

    BS and you know it. Clottey was the one backing up in the first 3 rounds. The cut had Cotto taking a new approach to the fight. And even then he pushed Clottey forward many times throughout the fight. It wasnt until the 11th when Cotto decided to remain on the backfoot.

    Workrate can be effective when you throw as many punches like Williams does. He hardly lands ****, but it's effective because it never allows the other fighter to get off in fear of getting caught with 1 or 2 punches...maybe even more.

    And the subjective term in your statement is "effective punches"...that's debateable. Who knows whats effective and what isnt? Clottey was smart enough to shake his head after an exchange to show the judges "ineffective" aggression...but it very well could've been a lie to **** with Miguel's head. His facial expressions were surely different when he was actually GETTING hit.
     
  5. hmm

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    hmm says... I've concluded that SD = robbery for the most part on esb....................... damn why have judges in the first place if ppl are always gonna disagree with their ruling? Might as well do away with judges and let the fighters fight until one drops.
     
  6. digger

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    it's no robbery but a draw is much better and a rematch must be set up
     
  7. the_truth

    the_truth Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hahaha :lol: another thread about a robbery, all the press has it in favor for cotto... boxing has to get rid all the baby fans... thinking about it maybe its fans that is hurting boxing at times when people are crying about robbery esp in a type of fight like this one...
     
  8. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was close fight but it wasn’t robbery. I had Cotto winning 115-113.

    Rematch would be nice, but Cotto fighting against Paquaio or PBF is more interesting choice at the moment.
     
  9. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Nonsense. Clottey was the cleaner more effective puncher in all of the rounds he won. As I said before, Clotteys rounds werent close. Cotto's rounds were. Infact the only round I gave to Cotto because of his activity was round 11. Where he and Clottey landed the same amount of punches and there wasnt much to seperate the 2. They even finished with a flurry where each landed a solid punch.

    From round 7-11 Cotto was anything but consistent.

    Again, hitting gloves, does not score you rounds.

    Explain this.

    Clottey in round 11 threw 49 punches and landed 19. Cotto threw 54 punches and landed 19. Clottey was chasing Cotto. Thus being the aggressor. Cotto was on his bike. So how exacrly was Cotto doing enough himself?

    Bad score.

    Show me what rounds you had for Cotto.
     
  10. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Slow the footage down and Cotto isnt landing barely anything. The round where Clottey beat his chest. Only 1 solid punch got through. I'd beat my chest too if you just stood there with a high guard and the guy could only hit you cleanly once.
     
  11. Realspitts

    Realspitts Boxing Addict Full Member

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    round 4 could be seen as a close yet arguable round to score for cotto. along with the crowds energy i felt that he did indeed steel it late.

    anyway, i scored it 114-113 cotto.
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Danny-rand you keep repeating that Clottey won 7 clear rounds as your reasoning that Clottey was robbed. But in your original post you only give Clottey 6 clear rounds and a close round. In fact there are 4 close rounds in total in the fight which means these rounds can be scored subjectively for either fighter. If this is the case you have no basis to state this was a clear robbery when there are a number of rounds where it could go either way.
     
  13. daredevil1989

    daredevil1989 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i agree completely no way in hell can you give cotto 6 rounds in this fight every single round he eeked out bar the 6th. Round 4 which lampley said he dominated i think a case can be made for clottey and you can make a very good argument clottey swept rounds 7-11 on clean punching. Cotto was not effective off the back foot. There is a difference between lateral movement and running. Cotto does not move laterally whilst punching he throws a combination (most of which werent landing btw) then runs to another part of the ring. Thats not lateral movement and boxing thats avoidance.

    P.S if fighter A throws a 6 punch combination and none land because fighter B blocks or evades them, fighter B should get credit. Defense is a criterion for scoring missed punches are not.
     
  14. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    You arent understanding. Every Clottey round that he won was clear. Meaning there was no dispute that he won. The only round that you could actually make a case for that Cotto won was round 4. But if you look at who landed the more telling blows that round. Its Clottey.

    The other 3 close rounds you are talking about. I gave to Cotto. Everyone of them you can make a case that Clottey won. Especially the 11th.

    Again, watch rounds 10 and 11 and ask yourself if Clottey did enough in the championship rounds. I dont know where this activity bull**** came from. Maybe something Lampley said during the telecast. Last time i checked. 49 punches in a welterweight fight is pretty ****ing active.
     
  15. Danny_Rand

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    Well said. :good