Just rewatched Calzaghe-Kessler the fourth time....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Astola, Nov 6, 2007.


  1. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    And I've come to new conclusions about the scoring in this fight.

    When watching the fight I had round 1 even and rounds 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 for Calzaghe and rounds 2, 4, 7, 12 for Kessler.
    But after watching and scoring the fight four times I come to a totally different conclusion. The fight actually WAS much closer than it appeared:deal

    Now - I want to stress that Ive ben watching and scoring the fight afterwards UNBIASED and without any emotional influence. And I dont want to be considered a nuthugger or anything - the following is truly how I think the fight should have been scored.


    Harold Lederman scored the fight very poor. To begin with he had round 1 for Kessler and round 2 for Calzaghe....Which fight did he watch??


    I would ike to notice, that I am counting the signficant punches landed in each round and I combine it with ring generalship and other factors as well.

    Here it is:

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    Neither fighter is doing something wild. Kessler lands 3 significant punches - Joe lands 2. Joe is controlling round one a bit more.
    This round is a draw!:deal

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    Both fighters staying at distance and Kessler is successfull in landing the jab. Calzaghe lands 2 significant punches. Kessler lands 3. Kessler has more control than Joe this round.
    This is Kesslers round!:deal

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    Calzaghe is really letting his hands go now. Controlling the fight and making Kessler back up. Calzaghe lands 5 significant punches. Kessler 1.
    A very clear round for Calzaghe!:deal

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    Joe starts the round pretty well but gets hit with a nasty uppercut. Joe backs alot in this round but counters pretty well. Kessler lands 5 significant punches. Joe lands 2.
    A very clear round for Kessler.:deal

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    Almost a repition of the first round. Both fighters have immense respect for eachother, although much looser. Kessler lands 3 significant punches. Joe lands 1.
    This is Kesslers round but its a close one.:deal

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    This is where the fight changes for real. Joe starts to use his fast jab and it actually pays of. Joe is outjabbing Kessler who is very, very passive in this round. Calzaghe lands two significant punches in this round. Kessler lands zero!
    Easily Calzaghes round!:deal

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    Both fighters go for it but Kessler is in control and lands the more significant shots. Kessler is still measuring but he manages to land a combo. Kessler lands 3 significant punches. Joe lands 2.
    An even round, but Kessler is in control. Kesslers round.:deal

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    Calzaghe is dominating the centre of the ring, letting his hands go and he is backing Kessler up. Joe starts to land punches from weird angles and showboating a bit.
    Joe lands 6 significant punches. Kessler lands 1.
    Joe is dominant and wins the round very clear!:deal

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    Same procedure as in round 8. Joe is dominant and really showing how good a fighter he really is. Outjabbing Kessler at times and throwing from weird angles. Kessler clearly doesnt know what to do and seems very tired. Joe lands 6 significant punches. Kessler 2.
    Easily Joes round! Dominant!:deal

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    Calzaghes workrate is showing. Joe is unreal - he is throwing a hell f alot of punches but wins this primarily on workrate. Joe lands 4 significant punches. Kessler 2.
    Easily Joes round!:deal

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    Calzaghe outclassing, outjabbing and outworking Kessler who seems very tired and confused. Calzaghe lands 4 significant punches - Kessler is passive and lands zero punches!
    Easily Joes round!:deal

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    As often seen - the twelth round is developing different as the fight as a whole. Calzaghe starts with nice inside work but Kessler's pressure is doing damage to Joe. Kessler lands 6 significant punches but Joe is a warrior. Joe lands 3 significant punches.
    Easily Kesslers round!:deal


    This fight should have been scored 115-114 in favour of Calzaghe.

    Calzaghe landed in total 36 significant punches.
    Kessler landed in total 30 significant punches.

    I know that this score is very different to both the judges verdict but also how fight fans on esb generally have scored this fight. But watch the tapes dude's!!! I am scoring this as it should.:deal

    I would like to add that that often the number of punches THROWN is actually more important than the ACTUAL number of punches LANDED!


    I know that some of you have scored the fight 9-3 for Calzaghe and some even 11-1. WTF??:scaredas:


    Calzaghe won this fight on workrate and with being adaptive and spoiling Kesslers gameplan. Calzaghe showed tremendous boxing brains together with Enzo.









    If you dont agree on this - go watch the ****in':good tape!!!
     
  2. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Slowly but surely the nuthuggers form themselves an alternate reality.

    Deram is already a few steps ahead of you in that department. :yep
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I think your signature has some fact to it mate, good choice there.:good
     
  4. THN

    THN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After watching the tape I found the fight much closer to, still with Calzaghe
    as winner thou.
     
  5. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    I know - and Im also aware that I actually could pull a Deram. :yep

    But ive been all over this fight - and it doesnt lie. Watch it one more time - and look at the punches with effect.
     
  6. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    by tomorrow kessler will have been shafted and it will have been the biggest robbery in boxing history.
     
  7. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    first of all, you cant count, your scores add up to 115-114

    second of all, round 5 was Calzaghe, clearly.

    round 1 was pretty even, but i gave it to joe, and the judges probably did as well

    1 - JC (could have gone either way)
    2 - Kessler
    3 - JC
    4 - Kessler
    5 - JC
    6 - JC
    7 - Kessler (could have gone either way)
    8 - JC
    9 - JC
    10 - JC
    11 - JC
    12 - Kessler

    So possible scores are ranging from 117 - 111 to 115 - 113

    with the right score being 116 - 112
     
  8. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    :good

    A good choice indeed. Calzaghe was too much for Kessler but the scorecards are lying sons of bitches:deal
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    You're actually looking for 115-114 Astola with 6-5-1 for JC, to which I don't agree with.

    I rewatched it and had it 8 rounds to 4, 116-112. 117-111 is also acceptable, as is 116-113, but not 6-5-1, you'd be discounting some of the rounds where Kessler landed the bigger blows, but ate so many jabs and enough effective shots of Calzaghe's to lose it clearly.
     
  10. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    judges don't get 2 score fights twice let alone 4 times...i dont really know what your point is...joe won clearly...and im not even that fond of joe(mainly that i think he could have cemented his legacy by 6th or 7th yr of his reign)...
     
  11. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Sorry for the count. Corrected.

    But I still strongly disagree on round 5. Kessler lands the more significant punches. Watch it again.

    The dude from boxing info had round 5 for Kessler as well. (not that it prooves ****) But watch round 5 again!
     
  12. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    :lol:

    I know... I almost didnt post this because of post like these...
     
  13. juancho214

    juancho214 Member Full Member

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    im not a fan of either just a wanted to see the fight and i thought it was 9-3 for calzaghe ,maybe 8-4 but i thought kessler just got hit with the jab straigh too much to give him many rounds,the close ones i mean
     
  14. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Same score here, clear win no doubt about that but closer than the judges had it.
     
  15. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Insignificant punches count too -- jabs, for instance. Also touches with hooks -- you can't handicap a fighter on the scorecards simply because he has too little power to make any shot not landed perfectly effective.

    Calzaghe touched Kessler throughout the fight, showed superior ring generalship and workrate. Just because Kessler counters effectively three times in one round does not overcome the volume of Calzaghe's work -- you need stamina, speed, boxing ability and accuracy to outwork an outland an opponent the way Calzaghe did, and it's an injustice to nullify it all because of a power-disadvantage.

    I would guess on your card, Julio Cesar Chavez was leading the entire way against Meldrick Taylor.

    My score was 117-111, nine to three.