Just rewatched fight: Rahman quit because he knew he couldn't win

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fight is on YouTube now:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MqwVf4sddE (1/3)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=488rtv3obtg&feature=user (2/3)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ZU5JaWyGY&feature=user (3/3)

    Here is an interview with Toney after the fight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ij9gN5W3k

    As the fight moved along, Toney was increasingly countering and catching Rahman and was only beginning to get into his groove. Rahman, conversely, was finding it harder and harder to land on Toney and to avoid getting hit by his opponent. Near the end of the 3rd round, Rahman tried to pressure Toney and paid for it by taking at least one flush shot to the chin.

    Simply put, The Crock knew what was coming down the pipe for him: A sustained beating and the distinct possibility of ending up on his back. Compared with this outcome, quitting on his stool must have been a favorable alternative.

    Rahman's straight-ahead style couldn't cope with a fit Toney who was giving him all kinds of angles. The fight was beginning to settle into Rahman getting potshotted and mugged. Both men knew it and Has-been couldn't do anything about it, as his unproductive pressure attempt near the end of the 3rd showed.

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    . It was a calculated and foolish decision, and The Crock played it very poorly: You let the doctor look at the cut thoroughly before saying you can't see and don't want to continue.

    Regardless of whether he quit on his stool like a chump as he did or if he had continued, Rahman was on his way to a loss last night against the better man, Toney.

    The only difference now is that he has to live with the label of being a quitter as well as having been TKO'd by a nearly 40-year-old, fat, blown-up middleweight. Rahman received two KO's last night -- one inside the squared circle and one in the minds of fight fans everywhere who consider Has-been's ever-worsening reputation. Alongside the destruction at the hands of Lewis and the debacles against Maskaev now sits this white-towel wave by the former champion.

    Unlike valiant Vitali Klitschko's bout against that same Lennox Lewis, Antonio Margarito's tilts with Daniel Santos or Sugar Ray Leonard's first match versus Tommy Hearns, Rahman voluntarily gave up. By doing so, what little respect was left for a man once knocked cold out of the ring is as gone now as are his fleeting title-shot hopes.

    Hasim Rahman, one-time conqueror of Lennox Lewis, has revealed to the world his true character:

    Heartless quitter.

    It is a sad career-capper for a man many felt was destined for far greater things. Given this performance, one can't help but reflect on Hasim's good fortune to have never had his scheduled bout with Vitali Klitschko go through. With Hasim's lack of fortitude and the elder Klitschko's destructive firepower and killer instinct, Rahman could have missed several more paydays after being utterly obliterated by the towering Ukranian.

    Although, it could be argued, such a thrashing may have saved Rahman from the ignominity he suffered last night. Better, perhaps, to suffer another Lewis beatdown or knocked-out-of-the-ring KO from Klitschko than to be regarded as having no will.

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    Congratulations go out to the man who scored the TKO, James Toney. Though he will never be mistaken for a bodybuilder, Lights Out executed his gameplan and made his man give up by peppering him with counters while using his slick defense to avoid taking any real punishment. Toney said he was in shape and clearly was, much to his foe's dismay.

    Rahman's days as a fringe contender are likely over following his knockout defeat.

    For multiple-division champion Toney, however, his quest for one of the 4 major heavyweight belts continues.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Rahman realised that he was starting to lose rounds because of the cut caused by the headbutt so he thought the most fair outcome would be to have the fight declared a no contest and do a rematch on a more fair playing field when the cut had healed
     
  3. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    BK baby BK!! Don King Kiss My Ass!!!
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Rahman was winning that fight, he won the first 2 rounds with the 3rd going to Toney who was able to land some clean shots after the cut. Can't see why the hell Rahman would want to quit unless it's going on with a serious cut(free major advantage for Toney) like that.
     
  5. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Agreed 100%
     
  6. BENNY BLANCO

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    But in the 3rd round Toney at one point had Rahman stumbling, Toney was finding his range at ease that's when Rahman wanted out.
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Rahman was not going to win that fight, and I think he'd prefer to try and get a No Contest or a controversial loss than go 12 rounds getting humiliated and possibly ending his marketability and basically his career. Thats all this **** comes down to.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    That happened after the cut, Toney couldn't land such shots before that for a reason even when he tried.
     
  9. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rahman won the 1st round, the 2nd round was close, the 3rd round Toney had "Rock" rocked. The cut was not severe enough to stop the fight, if it wasnt for Rahman claiming he cant he see 3 times, no ref in there right mind would of stopped that fight. Rahman was looking for a way out, just like he did against Maskaev in August of 06, he was getting hurt very badly and floored in the 10th or 11th round, he tried grabbing on to Maskaev's ankles, even tried pleading with the ref that he didnt go down from a punch, when he clearly was. Rahman looks for ways out of fights, he dont have the fighting mentality of a Toney, Rahman showed his true colors last night, when the going got tough he wanted to quit instead of pressing on.
     
  10. TanstA

    TanstA Legendary Full Member

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    Toney is one fighter you do not want to fight with a cut, Rahman knew this.
     
  11. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly what Rock said in the ring after the fight.
     
  12. TanstA

    TanstA Legendary Full Member

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    Yup, he quit.

    Plain and simple!
     
  13. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    It appears that way.
     
  14. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Scar and Sues - Don't know if you're Rahman 'huggers or just embarrassed you got the call wrong on your predictions, but you're both way off. I think and hope you both know boxing better than this.

    Toney won the 2nd round on Marotta's and Thompkins' card, as well as my own. He lost the final two rounds of the fight and was getting torn up in the 3rd. It was only a matter of time. As someone noted above, Rahman looks for ways out of fights, and that is what he was doing and did here. This was his last big shot, and he knew he couldn't blow it. But he was blowing it and so he quit and hoped he could get a NC. He didn't, and shouldn't have. Here are my notes from rounds 2-3:


    2nd:
    JT waves HR in
    Big right over the top, stuns HR
    BT: "HR letting JT get into comfort zone"
    HR not throwing
    HR tries flurry at end, caught with left hook. Punches too wide by HR
    JT did exactly what he said to Jay Glazer: Start coming down to body in round 2 or so and over the top with hooks; he is on his game

    After 2nd Rahman's corner told him "He's trying to lure you in and you're falling for it"

    3rd:
    Started 3rd with little flurry, HR
    JT "Lulling him to sleep," as per plan
    "Toney is in his comfort zone"
    (HR, like PBF with AM and PW, knew what was going to happen. Tried to cut it short as PBF did by retiring. Heading off the problem at the pass)
    JT gets inside, peppering HR with HR's wide hooks doing nothing
    Clubbing lead right by JT; easily finding his range and HR can't do anything
    Short inside left hook from JT
    JT dropping hands and wading in
    Cut affecting HR mentally
    Big right over the top from JT as HR wades in
    HR cannot find range
    "Rahman's letting Toney fight his fight"
    Big right inside for JT after a jab
    Huge 1-2 from JT staggers HR
    HR winging wild hooks, not hitting anything. Looping punches not effective vs JT
    Big counter right from JT
    HR tries to press JT to ropes, eats a huge right counter at end of round

    (Only a matter of time before HR KO'd)

    HR quits on stool!

    HR said he quit b/c can't see punches. In other words, he knows he's getting tagged. Does not think
    can hang; knew this was his last shot and couldn't get it done
    (HR thought the fight would go one way, realized it was not going to happen. So he quit)

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    Toney was eating up Rahman, and was on his way to stopping a loop-punch-throwing Has-been. It was, as I wrote, merely a matter of time.

    No one was a bigger fan of The Crock than I was after he beat Lenny. But this is who Rahman is. He isn't jack, and was getting exposed against Toney.

    I'm sorry if that hurts, but it's the truth.

    Rahman quit for a reason. He knew what was happening. In the 3rd round Toney was clowing him with dropped hands and landing at will. Rahman pressed, and got tagged with a counter right at the bell. This was all leading to the same end, and both men knew it.

    Rahman with the towel-toss from the stool.

    Toney TKO3 Rahman.
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice rundown Paulfv, Rahman couldnt hang with Toney and he knew when he was starting to get caught with counter hooks, it was only a matter of time before Rahman would of met the canvas. Toney proved last night that he was more superior fighter at this stage in there careers, and should now look past Rahman, on to bigger better matches.