Just rewatched froch v direll...

yeah man i suppose seeing him now, made me forget about all his good attributes, not the best boxer by a long shot but could when he needed to in his younger years, still one hell of a warrior though, and in the Tszyu fight i think it was more determination and will to get that title, anyone with same skills but lesser will would have gone down IMO

 

I thought it was a close fight, but Dirrell deserved to lose because of his negative style. You can't take that approach and then complain when you don't get the decision.

The worst part is that he has the goods to beat Froch in the exchanges, but he simply chose not to do it. He can beat Abraham, too, but he has to find the desire to stick his nose into some tight spaces.

 

Exactly. MOst people who think Froch won cant. Because he didnt. How do you not land 5 power punches in a fight and win. Was he tagging Dirrell with the jab. :rofl

**** I'll even count the rabbit punches, headlocks and body slams as punches and he still didnt land as much as Dirrell

 

There is no such thing as a negative style. You dont score points on who is fighting "positive" whatever that means. You score on clean punching, effective aggression, defense and ring generalship. Dirrell dominated in 2 and Froch didnt have any of the other.

 

Hatton's problem was ego. All this 'I'm a real good geezer' stuff came over as arrogant in a way, because he kept reminding people about it.

He won the Tszyu fight on tactics. Then he thought these tactics were unbeatable and fought the same way for fight after fight. He never regained the excellent footwork and decent head movement that had taken him to the top.

Very good fighter, but doesn't deserve to be in the HoF, unfortunately.

 

yeah, i know what ya mean there, always talkin bout himself in the third person, "Ricky Hattons here to stay and all that bollocks"

He got a long way on a style not made for longevity, heck of a warrior though

 

Ok, ok this is fair. I'll rewatch it later.

I asked exactly the same question about Hatton-Collazo (what were the seven rounds that Collazo won?) and no one could answer.

Btw, rabbit punches is a tough one - i think Dirrell's moves turned fair punches into dodgy ones, at least some of the time. The way some defensive boxers move - very, very low - make rabbit punches inevitable, so this is another area that boxing authorities need to look at.

For example, no one can tell me that Haye's ko of Mormeck was anything but fair, yet look at where the punch landed due to where the Frenchman tried to position his head to avoid (he failed!) the punch.

 

Lennox Lewis is my all time favourite fighter, but I blame him for the third person nonsense. So many fighters copied him when he started talking about himself in the third person.

 

Froch won that fight for me - what Direll did in the ring should never be enough to win a world title, never.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phta5fkCDTw&feature=related[/ame]

2:12. Froch grabs Dirrells head holds and hits. Did this several times during the fight. Couldnt find the highlight but Bernstien points to one instance where Froch holds Dirrells head down and blantant aims for it again.

Now I have no problem with hitting on the back of the head if the fighter is like you say ducking, I believe that is legal. But holding behind the head then hitting. Nah


The Roy Jones Jr punch that he got KO'd with by Danny Green, cant blame Green, but Froch was holding blatantly.

 

Ishould clarify - there were certainly examples of Froch's frustrations getting the better of him and he did rabbit punch on occasion. just don't think it was as much as has been suggested. However, I said I'd rewatch it and I will when I get back from work in the morning. At the moment, rewatching this, the news and 30 Rock are my choices and the fight is a distant third...

 

Sour grapes thread

Dirrell was denied a close victory in that fight, on top of wrongfully being deducted a point while Froch was free to get away with far worse.

 

I had 115-112 for Dirrel.

 

Aye but he did win though. Maybe you didn't have Froch winning but he still won. Hes not the one with the L.

 

He schooled him about as much as 'Nard did Calzaghe.