Just rewatched the first 6 Rounds . . .

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by shadow111, Sep 18, 2017.


  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Disagree Canelo was not completely outboxing GGG in rounds 3 and 4. GGG had full control especially in round 4. I think that's one of the easier ones.
     
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  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I thought round 4 was GGG's too, but he's really adamant on it being a clear Canelo round. Maybe I'll re-watch it. Honestly though I do think that there is an absurd amount of hatred for Canelo or some major GGG dickriding going around this forum. I think it does have to do with people picking GGG, calling Canelo names before the fight, etc.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would just say always go with your initial instinctive gut feeling. Keep in mind that I'm not the one protesting all these Canelo scorecards. Ever since the decision was announced, the outrage has been at Byrd's scorecard. With Floyd Canelo, I wasn't all butt hurt over the CJ Ross Card. I thought Floyd won but my stance has always been that it was a very close fight. That doesn't mean I think it was a draw it was just that I didn't think Ross having it a draw was as bad as everybody was making it out to be. I think in general Canelo just doesn’t get enough credit for his performances, whether it’s Trout, Lara, Floyd or now G.

    I agree that the Byrd card was a little wide, I thought G won more than 2 rounds OK, but I don’t see how you can make the argument that I have some history of defending Canelo. It’s more that I just have accepted the judges scorecards, unlike the vast majority that continue to cry about all these Canelo scorecards. Whether it’s Trout, Lara, Floyd or now G, in the end I’m not the one protesting these results. I am fine with the official cards. If you disagree with the scorecards, whether it’s CJ Ross’s 114-114, or Byrd’s 118-110 or Canelo’s wide cards vs Lara or Trout, the onus is on you to make the argument as to why you disagree with those, not on me since I don’t have a problem with these results.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There ya go ellerbe. That's what I'm talking about. Good on ya for pointing out this obvious reality. There is clearly an absurd amount of hatred for Canelo and lack of credit given to Canelo around this forum, which is what I'm getting at.
     
  5. Dfaulds

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    I don't like Canelo particularly but I think he's a great fighter. He is always on the right side of generous scoring which irks me and is why i picked GGG by late stoppage for WBK as i did't think GGG would get a decision in Vegas (which ultimately I think he himself knew).
     
  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You sure did convince me :sifone:. You don't have a bias for Canelo. Got it.
     
  7. tee_birch

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    I had the first 3 to Canelo.
    4-9 GGG
    10 Canelo, 11 GGG and 12 Canelo.

    Close fight
     
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  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not sure if I quoted you, but I'm not saying you specifically that's just the feeling I get on this forum. Just like how shadow is clearly canelo's biggest cheerleader, I feel like his dickriding is around the same level as the Canelo hatred and the robbery claims. I had GGG winning 7-5 too.. I just think it was way closer than people make it out to be.
     
  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm objective and unbiased. So I'll tell you how it is. Based off your history, and no I'm not going in an depth debate with you on this, take it or leave it. Your Canelo bias is as bad as their Canelo hatred or GGG bias.
     
  10. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You didn't but I wanted to put it out there that I don't hate Canelo. I think the fight was close but a clear GGG win. I'd like to see a rematch because I think the fight itself was quality, this time I'd like fairer location/judges etc. But both guys gave a good performance.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Look I think we're all a little biased OK. I try to be as unbiased as possible. I gave G rounds 5 and 6 didn't I? I mean is the only way to be unbiased around here to say that Floyd beat Canelo 12-0 or that G beat Canelo? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? I may not be totally unbiased, I do like Canelo, but I also try to keep it real believe it or not. And I'm very happy to have a real substantive debate about it, which very few seem willing to have. Like with round 4, I'm challenging posters to really prove me wrong on scoring it for Canelo.
     
  12. shadow111

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    You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree and I'll give you a perfect example. It's much worse for someone to say Floyd won every round vs Canelo than for me to say that Canelo won 3-5 rounds and say that it was a close fight. My stance is reasonably supported by taking a look at the 3 judges who scored the fight. To your point, we've seen people here act like you can't be taken seriously if you thought Canelo wont his fight. That's beyond ridiculous in terms of bias against Canelo, especially considering the fight result was a draw with Canelo winning more rounds in total. I totally understand the outrage over Byrd's card, however that doesn't mean that you can't be taken seriously if you think Canelo won. I respect G fans who thought their fighter won, but I can’t say the feeling is mutual. That’s bias, being unwilling to take opposing viewpoints seriously. This isn't a popularity contest. It's about being real and supporting your views with justification.
     
  13. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can't you just stfu for once in your life lol and just take someone's opinion. Why do you need to try and refute everything. Do you think you're convincing me or anyone else? I'm genuinely curious on your motive.
     
  14. woodzo

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    pretty much exactly the same i had it
    even the 12th is pushing it for canelo ,, i think 10-10 rounds should be used more frequently as thats quite a good example of one where it could be used
     
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  15. shadow111

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    lol well you stated that I have some Canelo "history" whatever that means like I can't be trusted or something. My motive is to destroy myths like Floyd shutout Canelo, or G beat Canelo, or Trout beat Canelo or Lara beat Canelo. Completely biased BS. If that makes me a Canelo cheerleader so be it, it's better than being some cry baby whining at every Canelo decision.