Just something i'd like to say about Pernell Whitaker....

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  1. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Sometimes when you watch a fighter, you just get an impression that sticks in your mind of that fighter. Usually happens with the great ones, for example, (many people question the greatness of Felix Trinidad, people overlook his biggest positives and think he can be outboxed with any guy with decent movement, not true) when i watch Trinidad fights, i just feel like im watching a great man aswell as champion who left it all in the ring and carried a nation on his back with pride everytime he graced the ring, people get a similar feeling when watching Louis (not a comparison between the greatness of the two).

    Anyway, when i watch Whitaker, i get the feeling moreso than any other boxer, that he simply knew he was superior to his opponents, its like he knew it and he was looking down on them with no respect because they were lower than he. Plus he was bitter about some of the injustices against him throughoutt his career and could really express his anger by embarrassing an innocent party (his opponent) in such injustices.

    Has any1 else ever felt this way? Or does any1 get any sort of impressions when watching great fighters? Hope ive expalined this as good as possible!
     
  2. TommyV

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    I get where your coming from. I'm not sure whether I'd call it a lack of respect, but the guy oozes confidence everytime he stepped in the ring. I see how you could interpret his defensive techniques as sort of disrespectful, the way he would just drop his hands and slip and dodge countless punches with a smile on his face almost laughing.

    The guy was just very confident to go with his amazing ability.
     
  3. teeto

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    Yeah, really confident he was, i do get that idea that he believed he was just superior in his craft than the man standing in front of him though, maybe it's just me!

    Ive always admired Pernell, but i gotta say, im becoming obsessed with the guy of late!! Really becoming a fan rather than an admirer lately.
     
  4. the cobra

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    Bits of my favorite example(gets particularly good toward the end):

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  6. the cobra

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    I've always felt the same. But it's not as if he was arrogant (he was, but not for this reason neccesarily), what he knew was the truth. He was simply better than everyone else. He toyed with and taunted virtually everyone he fought in his prime, he made absolutely everything look easy. I think Whitaker wanted much more respect and credit than he got because he was so obviously superior, he knew it and he wanted to show everyone else, which is why he showed off so often.

    Going into fights, Carlos Monzon looked like he knew he was clearly better than everyone he was fighting as well. Again, I don't think it was arrogance neccessarily, but he just knew what he could do and that his opponent wasn't going to match it, the same thing with Whitaker.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you teeto. He was outrageously arrogant and self confident in his own abilities and sometimes disdained to even TRY in a fight.

    It's evident in so many things he did, like punching with a behind the back punch, pulling shorts down, ducking out of the way of a punch and coming up behind a man and tapping him on the ass to let him know that he's 'over here' now, standing in a corner and letting the other fighter unload without so much as putting his hands up, and a common occurrence, not even bothering to try and finish a fighter off when he has them hurt. So many times he would hurt a fighter, but he would not go in for the kill, as if to send the message 'you're not even worth me putting in the energy to stop you, I'd rather just torture you for the length of the bout'.

    As I've said before, few ended a Pernell Whitaker fight being physically damaged, but psychologically, they all got KTFO (except Tito and Bojorquez :D).
     
  8. teeto

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    Thanks for the posts guys,

    btw, do any of you recall the thread by the wanderer in which he posted his highlight video he compiled which was a tribute to 'boxing's natural talent', which was Ali, Jones, Mayweather and Whitaker in this case.

    I know it's not solely Whitaker, but this is a great video imo, the words capture everything the vid is about imo (if you interpret it!)

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxv22Rd3ViE[/url]
     
  9. teeto

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    Good post SS, on the point of his arrogance in the ring, and his expressing his feeling of superiority, i actually get that impression when he did go after his man, in the rare events when he was pinning guys up against the ropes and smashing them relentlessly, they look so helpless its unreal, think its because of his speed and good focus over an opponent that isnt focused. It's like he's saying 'well ive showed you can't box with me, now you will be my guinea pig as i prove the doubters wrong on my offensive abilities!'

    That's the impression i get anyhow.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haha, join the club!

    There's no one better to watch if you want to see pure skill with attitude. Not Pep, not Ali, not Robinson, nobody. Whitaker is the best on film of all time :good
     
  11. Robbi

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    Whitaker was the man. Nelson, Ramirez II, Chavez, McGurt II, and Vasquez. I choose those fights as my favs based on variety over three weights. IMO his jab was as good as it ever was against Vasquez at jr middleweight.
     
  12. teeto

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    Im in the club most definitely! Haha!
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I think it was the fact that he could punch so easily with either hand and his punches were often so unconventional and unexpected, it would be like being slapped around with a blind fold on for the opponent. They were totally disoriented from where he was going to hit them that they didn't know how to react or counteract it.

    The Haugen fight is a good example. Haugen got scared to let so much as single punch off because every time he did, he paid for it with combinations in return. He claimed after the fight that he had never been so embarrassed in all his life because he kept getting hit and couldn't do anything about it.
     
  14. teeto

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    Really? i may be wrong, but you just dont get fighters singing praises to their conquerers (spell check?) like that these days.
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haugen could have a good sense of humour, despite being a bit of a douche.

    He was certainly humbled by the greats he fought (Pea and JCC).