Just spent 2 hours watching Ray Robinson and...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by icanmanifest, Dec 26, 2010.


  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shut the **** up NOOOOB!!!!!
     
  2. Loggo

    Loggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    God is this another pointless thread? Robinsons legacy is not to be taken the **** out of,come on.
     
  3. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    wow, there is such a thing as frame! and that reach is fingertip to fingertip, he could just have really long fingers! I am 5'8'', with a 69.5 wingspan, so yes, Floyd does have a long reach, but his frame is small. There is a big difference between a Tua and a Floyd, and when I met Floyd and looked him in the eye he didn't look any bigger than me right before the Gatti fight when I talked to him, maybe just wider in the hips, and I was 128 lbs, used to fight at 118 to 126 amatuers. In no way shape or form could I fight at 175 without getting KTFO, and Floyd is not big or tall at all. 154 is a stretch for his frame, he's doesn't have a sturdy skeletal structure like Berto, etc who probably should not be at 140.

    Sure he could beat some crap 175 fighters with much his better skills but he is no where near tall enough or frame wise suited to that weight, especially at a world class level.
     
  4. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robinson has a great jab. If he uses it he should be able to pick Mayweather apart with it when Mayweather becomes more agrressive in the mid to late rounds. However if Robinson has a in ring weakness it is that he tends to abandon his jab for power punches. As he dose in the video above. Once he stops to use his jab he loses what ever size advantage that he has. Mayweather is not going to stand infront of Robinson to let him get off a fulery of punches like Robinson gets off on Agnott at 1:36.
     
  5. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Other than Kid Gavilan and Henry Armstrong. Mayweather's resume is just as good at 147.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Emanuel Steward is probably going to enter the Hall of Fame as a trainer of champions. You are...who?

    Also, you've spent a lifetime viewing boxing and are just now getting around to your first two hours' glimpse of SRR? I call bull****. Your join date is 2010, and that's exactly when you started following the sport.
     
  7. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    no, that is pure bull****. mayweather's ww competition is hatton out of his best weight, zab ****ing judah, JMM who had never fought anywhere near 47, and old man mosley? Come on now. All of these guys are either out of their prime weight or age

    robinson had these guys under his belt before he even reached any championship: Angott, Servo, Zivic, LaMotta, an extremely faded Armstrong... let alone the guys he would fight while holding the ww title. i hope i'm actually not reading that right because there is an ocean between Robinson's WW comp and Floyd's.
     
  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Forget about who is the greater boxer (Robinson). Forget about who is stronger (Robinson). Forget about who is more clever (Mayweather). Forget about who has better offense (Robinson). Forget about who has better defense (Mayweather). Forget about any advanage that one guy has over the other.
    This fight comes down to one thing in my opinion and one thing only.
    How much dose Robinson use his jab. If he uses his jab as his main punch. Leads with it uses it to set things up. Than there is not much Mayweather can do. However if he leads with power punches which he has a tendency to do. Mayweather will be able to see them and counter them. He will get in and out with short combos.
    I don't always with the saying "styles makes fights." This time I do agree with it.
     
  9. avenel

    avenel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it took me ten min on youtube to see that robinson was the g.o.a.t. your a cornball
     
  10. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The person who started this thread needs serious help.
     
  11. icanmanifest

    icanmanifest Member Full Member

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    You have no clue what you're talking about... what the hell is so unbelievable about that... And what does my join date to ONE boxing site have to do with my level of viewing experience...
    And as far as Steward goes... of course.. awesome trainer.. but EVERYONE has commented on how he watches a fight for 30 seconds and talks like he has the whole thing figured out... I have personally been training in combat sports and martial arts since I was 6 years old, including wrestling up through college level.. I've been watching boxing since I can remember but I'm 32 so you figure out who I grew up watching....
    So it crossed my mind to go watch anything I could about SRR to see how great he was and I came away from the experience, NOT SAYING he didn't look awesome at that time, but saying that compared to what I'm used to seeing growing up, that I didn't feel he is the all time P4P best fighter... period... he's way sloppy at times, he gets hit quite a bit, and quite frankly, his credentials and abilities aside, I didn't watch one single fight of his where the person he was fighting seemed impressive AT ALL.. not by todays standards.... I think if you lined up the top 10 WW from '80 to present day.. and took the top 10 WW from SRR era... that for the most part today's modern fighters would absolutely embarrass those guys... you guys think think he's the greatest just like a lot of guitar players hail Jimi Hendrix as the greatest.. he was an absolute pioneer and changed so many things... but by today's standards he isn't the fastest player, cleanest, most technical, most thoroughly versed in his craft.... yet many people say he's the greatest guitar player ever... but what the hell is it being based on.... guys like that, Hendrix, SRR they become sort of immortalized over time...

    I think u guys are't being unbiased personally because I approached it comepletey indifferent to the matter and came away thinking... hmmm... ok... whats the big deal about him?

    sorry.. but at least I gave an honest opinion... if you can't handle it you can kick rocks for all I care.
     
  12. Swarmer

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    I don't think you can watch SRR and not find Turpin, LaMotta, Gavilan, Angott, Armstrong,Fulmer, or Basilio good boxers. They're in the HoF for a reason. The funny thing is you're seeing him get hit a lot... there's a reason for that, the level of competition was a great deal higher than it is now. People signed fights against their biggest rivals several times in a year, not 5 months of negotiation, a 12 round glorified sparring match, and then no rematch. These guys were constantly practicing their craft and had the subtleties down. Why do you think a guy like Hopkins can continue to be competitive at his age? Because he knows his trade better than anyone else out there and scores despite running into physically stronger, faster, more talented comp. These guys have more experience from more fights. The more you do something(big surprise) the better you are at it!

    Jimi Hendrix is not the greatest guitar player ever. Segovia, Bream, Tansman, Ponce, Zappa, Fripp, and hundreds of others coming before him in the heyday of classical/romantic/baroque period had arguably greater technical skill and versatility at this instrument. Your analogy blows.

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  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You really should consider following another sport.
     
  14. Scott-Robson

    Scott-Robson Active Member Full Member

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    :rofl
    But seriously, you can't say that SRR wouldn't completely wipe out most of today's welterweights.

    Someone once said there was a comparison between Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson. Believe me, there's no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest.
    —Sugar Ray Leonard
     
  15. icanmanifest

    icanmanifest Member Full Member

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    The analogy doesn't blow... if u ask almost everyone of todays best guitarists they list Hendrix as the greatest player of all time.. as does every major guitar playing magazine and reader poll.... yet he quite frankly is NOT.

    Just like SRR isnt the best P4P fighter... not even close... you really believe those guys were amazing? Really?
    Virtually no head movement... not a one of them used broken rhythm, the flailed punches like crazy... they weren't as supremely conditioned... their technique is NOT THAT impressive,, period... more heart? idk maybe... much more exciting to watch... k i'll give you that in many instances... more willing to fight anyone and eveyrone.. etc etc... but ONE to ONE, skill for skill vs todays elite modern fighters... those old timers would be completely mismatched..... face it