Just spent 2 hours watching Ray Robinson and...

1. I told you it's somewhat reminiscent, you incoherent *****.
2. Read Tommy's post, its just above yours. atsch

 

so far you still seem to think his footwork is so much better than Pac and Floyd's and i dont and italked about that a couple post earlier....we disagree.....really that simple....u said he had one punch KO power while fighting on the back foot

Pac's footwork allows him to create the angles that people have fallen in love with so much....

Floyd's footwork is impeccable...the guy can fight in any direction and always be in position to land solid shots...will they be one punch KO like you seem to love so much...no....but his footwork is not far off from SRR's nor is Pac's....so NO...far far far to me isnt acceptable...and 'alot' isnt acceptable.....like i said do what you will....i just disagree.

 

Not really, it's a lot like Kalambay's, FM Sr's, and Toney's. It's less offensively oriented than some of the turn of the century or Murderer's Row variants. It is his own because every fighter is different. But it's not some new-fangled unorthodox voodoo like Jones Jr., Hamed, Wilde, etc. :huh The style has a precedent. Arguably much better precedents too.

Mayweather's works well in part because he's a much better talent than his dad or father was. He's faster, with better reflexes not to mention he hasn't faced fighters that have the possibility of exposing the weaknesses of this style. Mayweather Sr AND Roger definitely did.

 

What we see Jr. doing today is hardly something that has only existed since he entered the game. He has a recycled style, at which he happens to be very good.

 

I think your just reaching....

so your trying to say the styles are the same but may go completely unnoticed because Sr. Lacked the Athletic ability?

That fight against SRL that isnt the same defensce that Mayweather Jr is using. **** just because you counter and tuck your chin dont make it a philly shell tyson tucked his chin ****, Roger didnt use this **** neither but they damn sure developed a good game plan for the future of Mayweather as far as defensce go and not the standard flatfooted phillyshell your use to either

 

well we talking about the mayweathers defensce and like i said the mayweather defensce aint exist untuil floyd mayweather jr srl beating sr means nuthn

nobody here gonna convince me that Sr and Jr has the same style the **** is night and day

 

So now we get to the bottom of it - what you're actually talking about is Mayweather's defensive footwork, not his upper body defense.

 

I'm not saying they are the same, smh! I'm saying they're quite similar. That Leonard has proven dominance over counterpunchers, defensive cuties, and guys using a shoulder blocking style with parrying. Add that in with his physical attributes and well ****, the fact that he's an actual welterweight all time great, and there is no way that 147 PBF would not get his **** rocked by a mobile, hard punching, and complete boxer like a prime SRL.

It is not even a knock on Mayweather to say this! He's out of his best at welterweight and accordingly his opposition there isn't the best. Mayweather's style isn't some uncrackable defense with no weaknesses. It works for him, especially against the guys who he's matched against. But it's not the "greatest philly shell ever" or something never seen before.That's just ignorant.

 

Exactly
You cant say that SRL destroyed the mayweather defensce when he fought a guy that couldnt even perfect what he wished he could do.
He didnt fight like Jr because he cant so Its two diffrent things

If SRL destroyed Jr then we can say well look what SRL did to the Mayweather defense
But come on Sr could hardly put to use what he was tryng to do the teacher aint nessarily the best example he just has the knowledge

 

it is ignorant to say SRL destroys the mayweather defense when the real defensive mayweather he has not fought the damn guy didnt even have foot movement the defense wasnt good at all the real mayweather defense is in Jr SRL just beat another good fighter
and im not saying Jr beats SRL
I just feel you cant say he destroyed that Mayweather defensce just because the ****ing two share the last name because the mayweathers defense was **** until Jr started boxing

 

In what recent fights has Floyd shown even good footwork, much less elite? In case you haven't noticed, he's been doing his Toney impression more and more these days. I haven't seen a top display of lateral movement from him since he fought Castillo the second time (in which he sacrificed sufficient offensive out-put to do so).

 

Holy ****, your reading comprehension is awful. I did not say he destroys the mayweather defense. I AM saying he has proved himself to be good against fast, defensively adept fighters some of whom which have used a shoulder blocking style. There's more to SRL beating Jr.'s ass than just style alone, did I ever say anything of the sort?

Indeed, he has been doing a great deal of standup boxing recently with his feet set. He moved around some in the Marquez fight, but nowhere near his original standard.

 

No dis respect mate but if u have a lifetime of boxing experience and this is the 1st time u have studied sugar ray Robinson then something ain't right unless ur lifetime experience is a week!

 

Tyson also held his guard up and crouch behind a traditional 'peek'a'boo' stance [go ahead and argue that Tyson came up with that one too ] and constantly moved his head. His defence was nothing like Mayweather Jr's or Sr's. Father & son had the same defence, Floyd Sr's stance and way of countering and picking off shots was very similar. It was just overwhelmed by the combinations and speed and accuracy that Leonard had, aswell as obviously his power.

 

I watched Ray Robinson get dropped by a Robert DeNiro punch that didn't even land. He had a disgraceful glass jaw.