Just spent 2 hours watching Ray Robinson and...

quote me were i said mayweathers came up with philly shell

 

now whos reading comprehension is ****edup
again
I stated the mayweather defense didnt exist until mayweather jr started boxing meaning the mayweathers didnt have defense

2 diffrent defences night and day Sr didnt even ****ing move
so wtf are half yall arguing about?

 

Alright touchy. Pacquiao's footwork is actually quite similar to Ray's for me in it's purpose, in that the power he generate's largely comes from his legs, and also in terms of slipping in and out of range, aswell was circling laterally continually turning his opponent to keep them off balance.

I would argue Robinson's is better because his footwork allows him to do all that, but his balance is so remarkably that he can do both at the same time, Pacquiao has to really plant his feet when letting his hands go and doesn't punch much while moving because he doesn't generate the same power. Robinson was a master at finding angles too you know.

Mayweather's footwork is also very good yes, but impeccable is a bit far. Laterally, his footwork can lead him to being closed down, even by somebody far slower of foot by comparison, see Castillo I.

 

You said 'There was no Mayweather defence before Mayweather'. So either you are arguing he came up with the philly-shell defence, or you are arguing that Mayweather's defence isn't primarily a philly-shell 'D, which in either case would make you an idiot.

 

looks like your having a diffrent conversation from me

 

Floyd Mayweather Sr didn't have a defense now? Face it, it's the same guard, Floyd Jr is just a better and smarter fighter who was better able to utilize it.

 

lol i was saying the mayweathers didnt have defence until jr

yet again I have said it continuously and you seem to not understand that you completely through the thread of course by not rewading

your escalating this into some huge historical change in boxing

 

lol...ok...impeccable is a stretch.......my bad

also very good post:good

 

Okay. Let's start again, so what exactly are you arguing? That Leonard couldn't burst through Mayweather's Jr defence just because he did the same to his father's? If so, then I might be entitled to agree because Floyd better utilized it and was a better fighter.

What I thought you were arguing was that Mayweather Jr's defence was innovative and some sort of completely 'new age' and new-found defensive guard in boxing. So are you arguing this, or the above about Leonard?

Your posts about 'the Mayweather's didn't have defence' before PBF is ridiculous though. Are you saying they didn't have a defene at all now? Like I said, Floyd Sr's defence was the same as Money May's is today in principle, Floyd Jr is just better able to utilize it because he's a smarter and better fighter overall.

 

so your saying thats a good representation of the mayweather defense what Sr brought to Leonard?

 

You seem to be confusing a couple of different things. Stylewise - yes, it was a good representation because Floyd Sr had all the basic elements to the stance as I mentioned before, he picked off jabs with the same hand he turned his body inwards to avoid right-hands too, his chin was tucked behind a raised left shoulder, left-hand by the body. Ability wise - no, he didn't bring the same level of defence to the table because he wasn't able to implement it as well as Floyd Jr has throughout his career.

 

1948 Olympic 100m Gold was won by Harrison Dillard with a time of 10.5
Dillard was 5'10" and 152 lbs
in 1952, Lindy Remigino won with a time of 10.79. He was 5'8" and 148 lbs
Carl Lewis the winner of the 100m Gold in 1984 and 1988 after Ben Johbson tested positive for PEDs. won with times of 9.99 and 9.92. Lewis is 6'2"and 176 lb.
2004: ****** Gatlin with a time of 9.85. Gatlin is 6'1" and 183 lbs
2008: Usain Bolt with a time of 9.69. Bolt is 6'5" and 190 lbs.

We are seeing a pattern of bigger men running not human evloation at work. It is not as if you can take Dillard and Remigno and give them all the modern training and make them able to compete with the likes of Bolt and Tyson Gay 5'11" 165 lbs. In a 100m race today.

 

lol how am I confused about my own conversation i was having w someone else lol that you got confused about and started screaming mayweather didnt create the philly shell lololol

If you want to see a good representation of the Mayweathers Defense you Look at Jr not roger not Sr but Jr
I would like to see SRL thrash Jr
or according to Manny Pacs better then SRL so maybe we will see how good that Mayweather defense is
Now dont jump all excited at me im not saying Pac is better then SRL just saying the man that went against him from the trainer point of view did and he say he is

 

I missed this and thats exactly what I said

Mayweather Jr more complete defense better representation of it Sr Lacked

 

you have a point, but maybe that has something to do with evolution people are bigger and stronger now?