Just spent 2 hours watching Ray Robinson and...

But you see mate you were rubbishing him by saying Mayweather would completely dominate him..By saying that you are saying Robinson wasnt on par with blokes like Judah or Castillo, whom Floyd was unable to completely dominate.

That quite frankly is laughable....and surely you can see why.

Good to see you are showing an interest in fighters from past eras but you need to dig A LOT deeper before you make up your mind about him.

2 hours on youtube aint gonna cut it.

For a start even just look a lot closer at his record on boxrec...See how he fought Kid Gavilan twice, a fighter at least on par with Mayweather for greatness..probably closer to Pac actually.

Trust me mate, I was exactly like you once...exactly. Though I never doubted Robinson's ability or credentials, he impressed the **** out of me from the start..but I also thought that its silly to say boxing hasnt progressed like other sports. In reality though its far more complicated that that, its not like other sports and cant be compared directly. Some things have gotten better, a lot have regressed.

One constant I do know it that Robinson is one of the few fighters who has a solid argument for being the greatest of alltime..and thats in any way you care to look it. Whether it be his achievements or his ability on film.

 

On evolution in sports.
It is fact. Today's athlete is bigger, stronger and faster than yesterday's athlete.
In boxing this is most relevent with the heavyweights.
The brothers Klitchko, Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe may not be the most talanted heavyweights but their size and speed would have them beating most.
I'd take the 2009 New Orleans Saints over the 1972 Miami Dolphins.
However when we are talking about the weights lower than heavyweight such as welterweight than 147 is still 147. I don't think the evolution has much if any effect.

 

Athletes are better today...athleticism has gotten better. Which is fine if your into athletics but athleticism is just a part of boxing, many say the most important but again there are other elements in the sport that make it so unique...and hard to compare to running in a straight line or throwing a ball around.

 

did you watch this footage, by chance?

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And most Robinson footage is of his later career at 160, past his prime and his best weight.

 

Ray Robinson was the greatest welterweight fighter ever. He never lost to anyone in welterweight except for la motta. He is p4p because he is arguably one of the best super lightweight, welterweight, and light middleweight fighters to have ever boxed.

 

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One reason I hold Jake LaMotta in such high regard as he beat such a great fighter like SRR straight up.

 

And the thought of his chin probably makes you hard.

 

There used to be Welterweight champions like Jose Napoles, but now, in the "modern" era, we get Welterweight champions like Mayorga, Judah, Baldomir, and Margarito. Oh, how boxing has evolved.

 

Yes, he also had an Iron Chin.

 

It is untrue that Robinson was past his prime at 160. Having been a better welterweight and in his 30's dose not make him past his prime.

 

Athleticism is an important part of boxing.