Just tried to rewatch Hoya vs Pacman

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  1. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just got home late from work and opened a beer and decided to watch Pac/Hoya again. I think I got to the fourth round before turning it off. It is so hard for me to watch the last fights of once great fighters. I got the same gross feeling as I do when I try to watch Leonard vs Norris or Leonard vs Camacho. I know some people are starting to think that Hoya would have had trouble with a southpaw no matter what his age or his weight division but this is something else. Hoya seems so damn helpless in that ring. I love Pacquaio. He is my favorite active fighter and has been for a good while, since perhaps his first demolition of Barrera but this is one of his fights I don't think I will ever take pleasure in watching. No real purpose to this thread, just expressing my opinion on Pac's biggest win is all.

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  2. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As a Pac fan I will give Pac as much credit for this fight as I gave to Hoya when a big fan and he beat Chavez, that is to say, none.

    Though others bring Chavez up as a great win for Hoya I never have and usually skip it altogether. It gave Hoya a lot of clout but we all know Chavez wasn't at his best. Now what's the difference? Hoya had been stripped of all his titles by the time Pac fought him and was moving DOWN in weight at the ripe age of 36.
     
  3. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i agree, i'm a huge hatton fan, and i give manny all the credit in the world for a sensational KO.....but i have yet to watch the replay or will i ever.....
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

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    at first i cannot rewatch pac-morales1 (eventhough i made a couple of bucks) but when i thought that pac did a great job fighting his heart out after the accidental headbutt, i realized that i should be proud watching that fight. sooner or later, pac will also get old (he's old now by ring age standards) and if he comes back to fight a younger and stronger fighter after he retires he could possibly be on the same boat as oscar.

    great boxers come and go but their legacy will be left impressed in our minds. it just sucks when a fighter that you've invest much of your emotion supporting would be the one walking unto the sunset.
     
  5. Scar

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    It was painful for DLH but you can't deny the size difference and that DLH was going in as a huge favorite. Pacquiao wasn't supposed to win this, unlike Leonard/Camasho or Duran/Joppy.

    Pac vs Barrera I, no way in hell was Barrera shot in that one. The rematch sure, but not the first fight. Going in for the rematch Barrera was coming off a close fight with JMM in a fight many believed Barrera won and could have stopped Marquez late if it wasn't for the referee screwing Barrera, that can't be denied either.
     
  6. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac's on top of his game right now. 30 is prime by today's standards.
     
  7. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True, I don't believe Barrera was past prime either. I believe Barrera was overwhelmed by Pac's speed and ferocity. As to Hoya, it's easy to say that hindsight is 20/20 but that's because it's true, hindsight is 20/20.
     
  8. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i just said that he already had almost 15 years of ring age. he is old but i didn't say that he was past his prime. it's just amazing that after those years of fighting with a come-forward style, pac had maintained being in prime form. changing style did helped him and he is now more defensively aware than the first 12 years of his career.
     
  9. Scar

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    If you watch comments/predictions videos from experts all over youtube before the Pac/DLH fight you would think Pac is set to get KILLED going in against DLH. Guys like McGirt, Roger Mayweather, JMM, Vernon Forrest, Mike Tyson and many others claiming Pac is in for a serious beating. Funny how people TOTALLY forgot that.
     
  10. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, no one expected a Hoya that could not pop a jab with any conviction, defend himself, keep his feet solid under him, appear with a slower punch speed than in any fight he had ever fought in, and lastly come in weighing less than his opponent chewing on ice and with IV marks on his arm. People were expecting the man that showed up against Mayorga. And although Hoya wasn't the most impressive against Mayweather his defence was impeccable, picking off shots coming from a fast accurate fighter at a very good pace. I guess the Forbes fight is the one which showed Roach that Hoya had lost something important and was now easier to hit. Maybe it was because that was the first big dip in weight, going down to 150. And since then Hoya had never recovered natural weight, appearing at roughly 150-147 for the whole promotion of the fight with Pacman.
     
  11. Scar

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    No one expected Tyson to show up the way he did against Douglas either, no one expected Trinidad to get destroyed the way he did against Hopkins, no one expected Pavlik to get spanked one-sidedly against Hopkins and so on.

    That's the point of boxing, you just can't predict something 100%, even certain predictions which are proven correct end up wrong with ONE PUNCH changing everything.
     
  12. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson was competitive against Douglas, knocking him down and according to some getting cheated by the ref in a late count.

    Trinidad didn't truly get destroyed by Hopkins in the same way as Hoya. Trinidad had his strength. Hopkins stayed clear the hell away from Tito's punches throughout the fight. Hopkins is the bigger craftier fighter.

    As to Hopkins/Pavlik, I knew Hopkins was gonna win. It was a young kid up against the fox! I knew Hopkins was gonna spank that ass and he did.

    There are many more tangibles in the Hoya fight is all I'm saying.
     
  13. Scar

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    Tyson is my favorite fighter ever but that fight wasn't competitive, Tyson was rocked/stunned from round one and even though it might have looked competitive for a good 20 seconds of each round it didn't make the entire thing competitive. Tyson was getting brutally beat on. Speaking of the count, theories of that were all over and still are, do you know that coincidentally Tyson got the SAME EXACT count Douglas got when knocked down?, here's a nice video that covers it up.

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    Trinidad was getting schooled and eventually knocked out. That fight wasn't competitive in any way either. Hopkins used class A defense and offense when needed, Trinidad had no answer to it and Hopkins admitted he figured out how to beat Trinidad by watching his fight with DLH.

    I predicted Hopkins/Pavlik too, still doesn't change the fact that nearly everyone else saw Pavlik KO'ing Hopkins.

    Hoya's beating is no different than those and what I'm referring to is a general view NOT comparing what happened in the ring. In the end this fight goes in the same category as the rest, a huge underdog going in and making it look the complete opposite by dominating 100%.
     
  14. Scar

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    Many scored it for Barrera or saw it as a very close fight.
     
  15. Random1

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    You must've forgotten all the furor about it then. I didn't see the fight, but I remember polls and wild angry discussions about what should've happened.