Just watched Castillo Mayweather 1

Sure it was an ugly fight, but Mayweather still landed cleaner shots. He landed some clean chopping over hand rights, uppercuts, jabs to the body, left hook. He was missing with his jab a lot though, he also missed a lot with his over hand right early in the fight though he did get some good shots in with that punch.

Castillo did get a lot of good shots to the body though. But most of his shots weren't clean shots. Its just the fact that he stayed on top of Mayweather in his face throwing punches while avoiding Mayweather's jab.

While everyone wants to attribute Castillo applying pressure to Mayweather as the reason why he gave him a tough time. What most people over look is the head movement and defense by Castillo to allow him to get through. His was focused on defense first. He wasn't fighting looking to trade and overpower Mayweather which is the trap that most fighters get sucked into.

 

Castillo is fantastic on the inside lol :good

 

Punch stats have little to do with the score...Thats like looking at a football game and arguing who the winner is based on yardage...

There are the stats and then theres score... The two correlate but neither tells the whole story...

When you understand that boxing is score in rounds and not over 36 minutes of fighting then it becomes quite evident how you can outland an opponent and lose the fight...

 

Looking at the punches landed and the amount thrown is the same at looking at yardage?
Wtf?

I'm sick of arguing about this.
If you think floyd won, fine, think it.
Just admit you accept gift decisions.

 

You don't seem to get that I really don't care what your score is. The argument is against the fact that you think punch stats can be used to complement watching rounds. They cannot.

 

Overrated robbery. In the vain of Jones-Tarver 1.

There's no way Castillo won 7 of the last 8 rounds, which is what he needed to win just to get a 2 point victory.

3 main things lead to people crying robbery: a) the HBO broadcast and Harold's scoredcard; b) the wideness of the judges scorecards in favour of Mayweather; and c) the fact that people remember what happens in the final half of the fight moreso than the first half of the fight.

I had Mayweather by 2 points upon review - 3 points live (I believe I was watching an international Top Rank broadcast at the time, but can't confirm).

 

Exactly. The fact that a number of people actually admitted to scoring Floyd vs. Oscar for Oscar speaks volumes. I get personally embarrassed for these people.

 

No they cannot. But it wasn't just the punch stats that favored Castillo that night. His aggression and landing some clean good shots of his own helped the man's cause. No doubt, Floyd took care of business and avenged that performance, he learned from his mistakes, and for that I applaud him. But believe it or not, Floyd did not do enough to win that night. It should of at least been counted as a draw. At the very least.

 

Why can't all close rounds go to one fighter, out of curiousity? A judge should be judging on a round by round basis, never with the thought that, "Well, I gave one close round to 'x', I should give this close round to 'y' to even things up."

 

He is only barely literate.

 

Yet some people still somehow call him a coward.

 

Good point.

 

I have no problem with someone scoring it for Castillo. It wasn't a definite win for either guy. My entire issue in this thread was just with the issue of punch stats and judge's scoring. The two do not relate.

 

Unfortunately they don't, which adds to the confusion of having 3 person's different opinions while having to deal with a fourth. And aside from that, then other things come into question like home decisions, favoring a network's fighter, etc etc. When I have time, I'll watch the same fight 2-3 times and rewind to make sure a punch landed or not putting any bias aside for a fighter I might of prefered. But, to be honest, I've found Harold Lederman cards or at least most tv punch stats to be closest to the fight than the actual judging MOST of the time unless i have doubts, I'll go back and analyze it.

 

Fair enough. Unfortunately a judge at the fight can't do the rewinding and extensive analysis that we get to as fans after-the-fact. They also need between-round reviews for slips/knockdowns and that sort of thing to be universal at least as much as they can.