Just watched Chuvalo-Quarry... B.S. Stoppage?

Il Duce,how much was guarry and chuvalo paid for that fight in new york in 1969?i know guarry had a few large pay days

bigjake

 

He was knocked down twice by Bonavena.

 

bonavena never knocked him down those were pushes most can tell that.he fought much harder puncher then oscar and most never made him blink his eyes ...oscar talked a good fight before the bout took place,then he ran all night chuvalo called him a real dog.

 

I don't know...I used to think that, but since acquiring a cd of the fight..of those two trips to the canvas George made, one was definitely a slip, but the other one...I believe a punch helped put him down, and I've seen many kds scored by that same criteria..when a guy is somewhat off balance, and a punch comes along to grease the skids, so to speak to seal the deal. I think one of those falls was from a punch.

 

the referee called them pushes he was right there,chuvalo said the same.his record says no knock downs,i believe oscar was cheating a lil in hopes 1 would be called a knock down so he would have bragging rights.later he took a 30.06 to chest from a jealous boyfriend in reno.end of his story
trying to judge a fight by looking at a tape is hard you can't see the depth of the punches and a lot of other things too

 

Big Jake,

If the Live gate brought in around $250,000
Looks like Jerry Quarry's fight purse had to be around $75,000 or so.
George Chuvalo must have been in the $40,000 area.

Jerry's stock went up big time when he upset Buster Mathis in Madison Square Garden earlier.
Buster was an 11-5 favorite.
And then had 'The Fight of the Year' with Joe Frazier.

 

did you ever watch the chuvalo-dejohn fight?chuvalo had knocked mike down and the referee helped him to his feet with out even a count.the winner of that bout was supposed to get cassius clay next.dundee said chuvalo was to strong for clay to deal with in the early 1960's

 

Saw portions of that.
Mike DeJohn another tough dude.
Looks like George had him out on his feet once or twice.
Don't know how that guy could keep coming back.
He did show some amazing recuperative powers.

 

chuvalo told me he felt like punching the referee,lol....george in most cases knew he had to get a stoppage or ko his opponent to get the win.he said i won the bonavena fight,i did not get the decision.boxing illustrated had that fight 6 to 4 for chuvalo but george was never bitter over that,he was always in a fight with sport writer milt dunell do you remember him?maybe i spelled his last name wrong,said he never gave me any credit for anything i did in the ring.after chuvalo slapped a few ali jabs milt said ali must be having a bad night.

bigjake

 

Jake when it comes to Chuvalo you are easily the most biased poster I have ever seen and for some reason a lot of people like the limited lug from north of the border. At least one of those trips to the canvas was a legit KD that Mercante blew (probably the only time ive ever seen him blow a call) and you could easily call the other a KD as well. A fighter who goes down at the end of a punch, whether off balance or slipping, is considered knocked down. Period. Chuvalo's claim to having never been knocked down (which is his biggest claim to a fame) is spurious at best. Regardless Chuvalo gets way to much credit for his durability. He reminds me so much of Tua in that whenever these two guys got hit good and saw they werent going to win a fight they simply put their guard up, marched forward giving the impression of aggression, and didnt really take chances. Even in fights that were very winnable as with Ellis and Mathis he got was getting his ass handed to him and when he saw how easily he was getting countered he basically went into a shell and was content to go home a loser standing on his feet. Had he really opened up as the brawler he is reputed to be he would have a lot more KDs and stoppage losses on his record. When you best win comes against Jerry Quarry on a debatable stoppage in a fight you were losing in one sided fashion it kind of boggles the mind as to the loyalty of some toward him...

And the thing that kills me is that to hear him, he has an excuse for every major fight he lost. He always thinks he was robbed, or won some moral victory, or did more damage than the other guys etc. But you NEVER hear him talk about his NUMEROUS DEFEATS AT EVERY STAGE OF HIS CAREER to journeyman fighters etc. Its like we are supposed to believe from him that he was robbed against all these great fighters (or even B level contenders) but often enough couldnt even beat pedestrian fighters...

 

klompton,,
Easy there,,,,,,,
Give George his due,,,,,
That guy hung in the Top 20 for nearly 15 years. (1958 thru 1972).
Who else can you name, that could match that.

Despite all the tough battles and the poundings, he still is a well-spoken man.
Now thats tough.
George,, tough and durable,,,,,,,,,much like a Dodge Power Wagon.
Most guys had to go through him, to get a shot at the title.

 

I personally didn't see either of Chuvalo's trips to the canvas against Bonavena as legitimate knockdowns. When slowed down, it's obvious that in one of them Bonavena actually misses, and Chuvalo simply goes off balance due to his poor footwork and is actually kept up by the ropes. The second time a punch does land, but Bonavena obviously pushes him afterwards. I doubt Chuvalo would have touched the canvas (briefly) if not for the push.

 

tua is no george chuvalo,he was decked in his last fight against not that hard a puncher it seems.you are long winded aren't you....your to eager to try and make your point like chuvalo gave you a slap side the head at 1 time

 

no he wasn't down like you say,but this is the only point they can make about him being down in his career,and a few use it every time like the refs right there with a far better view then they ever get.he called it no knock down that's the end of the story these guys make me laugh

bigjake

 

for most of those years he was in the top 10 heavies,i have ring magazine here from 1958 when he first made the top 10 heres the top 10 heavyweights from nove. 1958 by ring mag
1-ingermar johansson
2-zora folley
3-willie pastrano
4-nino valdes
5-eddie machen
6-archie moore
7-roy harris
8-alex miteff
9-sonny liston
10-george chuvalo